beastjim wrote:Nice Picture, but look how far you are from the action. I am sure there was issues with the furthermost back reaches being too far away for FIFA guidelines. That said when you give them another 17,000 ticket sales @ $100 (or probably a lot more) then money might talk.
This is the view from 2002 WC final host venue . . . Nissan Stadium, Yokohama
Timbo wrote:Then again, WA being the richest state in the f***ing cosmos should be able to cough up for a stadium on their own...
Yeah but this spending spree is putting at risk this Triple AAA credit rating if we keep all these projects running... Governments seek not to put this at risk...
Karl wrote:I was thinking about FIFA having a problem with 3 Stadiums in one city.
They certainly do.
Current FIFA regulations only allow one city to have more than one stadium (maximum of 2) and you can almost guarantee that will be Sydney.
I'd like to see FIFA relax the laws to allow both Melbourne and Sydney to have two stadiums. Preferably I'd have MCG and MRS (upgraded to 50k) but FIFA might have problems with two stadiums within stones throw of each other.
Melbourne is better off with MCG / Telstra dome to avoid this conflict and to use MRS as a training venue...TD has a roof which is a big benifit over any stadium in Australia.
Australia still has only 7 capital cities (6 of which could cope...sorry Darwin), which means that FIFA will have to allow a double up in a few areas otherwise we would be building too many white elephants.
That or do a joint venture with NZ as they will have 3 good rectangular pitch stadiums from the RUWC.....which means sorry Perth (which would be a pitty as they have at least the Glory and Force, to benifit from any legacylike a new Perry Lakes for example.) and maybe Adelaide (who, lets face it only have Adelaide united to benifit.)
the crow wrote:
Australia still has only 7 capital cities
Really?
which means that FIFA will have to allow a double up in a few areas otherwise we would be building too many white elephants.
I don't really get why the absence of a state parliament building implies that a stadium would not be viable? Would Darwin really be better than the Gold Coast?
That or do a joint venture with NZ
FIFA don't do those anymore. Korea/Japan was too much of a logistical nightmare.
Chuq wrote:
FIFA don't do those anymore. Korea/Japan was too much of a logistical nightmare.
ANZUS, Cricket World Cups, Australian and New Zealand Safety Standards...Australia and New Zealand in unison is very different to Korea and Japan in unison.
I think the political barrier of Australia now officially being part of Asia and New Zealand being part of Oceania still is the biggest hurdle. Wikipedia still gives the impression that joint bidding is not allowed, so I think Australia has to go it on its own if it wishes to win
beastjim wrote:I think the political barrier of Australia now officially being part of Asia and New Zealand being part of Oceania still is the biggest hurdle. Wikipedia still gives the impression that joint bidding is not allowed, so I think Australia has to go it on its own if it wishes to win
You should know better.
There's also the chance that Oceania might be admitted as a region of the AFC in the next 10+ years. If so it removes that 'different confederations' barrier for a joint bid
First day of government and an independent Liz Constable with huge influence with Colin Barnett is already saying that they may not spend a billion dollars on the new major multi purpose stadium and they should scrap the project I agree with where they want to spend it, but heck cut some of those billions you committed during that f***ing expensive as all hell election caimpaign.
As I said, be very very wary of suggesting Perth will have any venue ready in time. Incompetence and stadia hatred continues within all levels of government...
Chuq wrote:
FIFA don't do those anymore. Korea/Japan was too much of a logistical nightmare.
ANZUS, Cricket World Cups, Australian and New Zealand Safety Standards...Australia and New Zealand in unison is very different to Korea and Japan in unison.
You mean that treaty that NZ hasn't been a part of for decades?
Maybe ANZ in unison is different, but trying to organise a sporting event with them? look at the 2003 RWC cluster, because I guarantee you if FIFA do, a joint event will be no dice.
First day of government and an independent Liz Constable with huge influence with Colin Barnett is already saying that they may not spend a billion dollars on the new major multi purpose stadium and they should scrap the project I agree with where they want to spend it, but heck cut some of those billions you committed during that f***ing expensive as all hell election caimpaign.
As I said, be very very wary of suggesting Perth will have any venue ready in time. Incompetence and stadia hatred continues within all levels of government...
I think the only way that Perth will ever get a new stadium is when Subiaco is no longer acceptable to the AFL...Whenever that may eventuate...
Karl wrote:I was thinking about FIFA having a problem with 3 Stadiums in one city.
They certainly do.
Current FIFA regulations only allow one city to have more than one stadium (maximum of 2) and you can almost guarantee that will be Sydney.
I'd like to see FIFA relax the laws to allow both Melbourne and Sydney to have two stadiums. Preferably I'd have MCG and MRS (upgraded to 50k) but FIFA might have problems with two stadiums within stones throw of each other.
There are no laws regarding no more than two cities with multiple venues - only suggestions for countries that are bidding to host. FIFA will be happy to allow both Melbourne and Sydney to have two venues each, whether or not that weakens the bid is another issue.
Karl wrote:I was thinking about FIFA having a problem with 3 Stadiums in one city.
They certainly do.
Current FIFA regulations only allow one city to have more than one stadium (maximum of 2) and you can almost guarantee that will be Sydney.
I'd like to see FIFA relax the laws to allow both Melbourne and Sydney to have two stadiums. Preferably I'd have MCG and MRS (upgraded to 50k) but FIFA might have problems with two stadiums within stones throw of each other.
There are no laws regarding no more than two cities with multiple venues - only suggestions for countries that are bidding to host. FIFA will be happy to allow both Melbourne and Sydney to have two venues each, whether or not that weakens the bid is another issue.
there are all these 'laws' and whatnot that are quoted without sources ever being offered. i'd love to see what source these things are supposed to be coming from.
mattwinter wrote:
There are no laws regarding no more than two cities with multiple venues - only suggestions for countries that are bidding to host. FIFA will be happy to allow both Melbourne and Sydney to have two venues each, whether or not that weakens the bid is another issue.
there are all these 'laws' and whatnot that are quoted without sources ever being offered. i'd love to see what source these things are supposed to be coming from.
I agree. I was about to reply and say that I have never seen anything stating what mattwinter said, but then I realised I've never seen anything, from a reliable source , stating what "everyone else knows" (which is "only once city can have two stadiums").
I remember there was an interpretation going around, that the actual statement was that "there must be at 9 or more stadiums and 8 or more cities" which people misinterpreted as "only one city can have two stadiums", which isn't what the statement says.
I agree with where they want to spend it, but heck cut some of those billions you committed during that f***ing expensive as all hell election caimpaign. 
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