Football wars

[broncos]

We should be able to find headlines "soccer zeroing in on rl's pot of gold - rl wc ,by holding their own wc in Sydney"

Or a headline like, "Perth man moron-thinks RL WC final was held in Sydney."

[Jeffles]

That's more Daily Telegraph stupidity than an indication of Sydney/RL attitude. The Swans played Friday night games regularly in the past and their regular Sat night/Sun arvo lineups are usually against RL matches in Sydney. It's a non-issue.

[nobleoz]

Guess D Telegraph want to publicise the AFL

[Nines]

That's more Daily Telegraph stupidity than an indication of Sydney/RL attitude. The Swans played Friday night games regularly in the past and their regular Sat night/Sun arvo lineups are usually against RL matches in Sydney. It's a non-issue.

Besides , they built the SFS a punt from the SCG !

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[nobleoz]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/w ... 6009124110

Would be interested in a Sydney comparison

[Adelaide_United_Red]

Monash University demographer and passionate Demons supporter Dr Bob Birrell said that the data confirmed the ascendancy of footy in Victoria and its importance to our culture

That article is a classic example of the bias in the media.

Most of the increase for soccer was due to a big jump in attendance by Australian-born people, with male rates almost doubling to 6 per cent and female attendance rising from less than 1 per cent to more than 4 per cent.

The stat re: female attendance at the football also blows away the myth that football is very strongly slanted towards male spectators

A number of pluses in the stats for football but written as a pro AFL article.

CBF explaining how but some people in my office were breaking down why it's a complete misrepresentation of the ABS stats anyway. Just a strategically placed pre-season article to big up AFL. A Few cheapies thrown at wogball, job done.

[nobleoz]

perhaps an unbiased Adelaide comparison, then?

[Adelaide_United_Red]

I don't have the SA data, but if you go purely on the Herald Sun article:

If you re-arrange/re-present the data on Aussie Rules it is equally accurate to say that:
-70% of Victorians were born in Australia ( but of those who watch AFL, 92% of them were born in Australia);
-20% of Victorians were born in countries where English is not spoken (but of those who watch AFL, 4% are born in a non-English speaking country),
-10% of Victorians were born overseas in an English-speaking country (but of those who watch AFL, 4% were born overseas, speaking English).

In other words, AFL is overwhelmingly a sport for Australian's (Ockers) or Brits, and that 75% of people born overseas do not attend AFL.

The fact is that attendances by people born overseas at any sport tend to be low - the official press release by the ABS for the publication that John Masanauskas has used notes that poor people don't go to sports events. It's safe to say that there is a high degree of overlap between low-income households and households of persons born overseas (and not speaking English).

So when the ABS press release says:
"Attendance rates generally increased as equivalised gross household income increased. Persons whose weekly gross household income was in the lowest quintile reported attendance rates of 26%, whereas those with a weekly gross household income in the highest quintile reported attendance rates of 58% (Table 1)."

It is another way of saying "non-English speaking migrants don't go to sports events".

However, that isn't enough of a feel good message for the readers of the Herald Sun, so Masanauskas talks about growth rates...

As the bumper sticker says ..."Is it true, or did you read it in the Herald Sun?"

[hot_dogma]

I don't have the SA data, but if you go purely on the Herald Sun article:

If you re-arrange/re-present the data on Aussie Rules it is equally accurate to say that:
-70% of Victorians were born in Australia ( but of those who watch AFL, 92% of them were born in Australia);
-20% of Victorians were born in countries where English is not spoken (but of those who watch AFL, 4% are born in a non-English speaking country),
-10% of Victorians were born overseas in an English-speaking country (but of those who watch AFL, 4% were born overseas, speaking English).

In other words, AFL is overwhelmingly a sport for Australian's (Ockers) or Brits, and that 75% of people born overseas do not attend AFL.

The fact is that attendances by people born overseas at any sport tend to be low - the official press release by the ABS for the publication that John Masanauskas has used notes that poor people don't go to sports events. It's safe to say that there is a high degree of overlap between low-income households and households of persons born overseas (and not speaking English).

So when the ABS press release says:
"Attendance rates generally increased as equivalised gross household income increased. Persons whose weekly gross household income was in the lowest quintile reported attendance rates of 26%, whereas those with a weekly gross household income in the highest quintile reported attendance rates of 58% (Table 1)."

It is another way of saying "non-English speaking migrants don't go to sports events".

However, that isn't enough of a feel good message for the readers of the Herald Sun, so Masanauskas talks about growth rates...

As the bumper sticker says ..."Is it true, or did you read it in the Herald Sun?"

f**k me the chip on your shoulder is bigger than the Great Australian Bight.

[Adelaide_United_Red]

I don't have the SA data, but if you go purely on the Herald Sun article:

If you re-arrange/re-present the data on Aussie Rules it is equally accurate to say that:
-70% of Victorians were born in Australia ( but of those who watch AFL, 92% of them were born in Australia);
-20% of Victorians were born in countries where English is not spoken (but of those who watch AFL, 4% are born in a non-English speaking country),
-10% of Victorians were born overseas in an English-speaking country (but of those who watch AFL, 4% were born overseas, speaking English).

In other words, AFL is overwhelmingly a sport for Australian's (Ockers) or Brits, and that 75% of people born overseas do not attend AFL.

The fact is that attendances by people born overseas at any sport tend to be low - the official press release by the ABS for the publication that John Masanauskas has used notes that poor people don't go to sports events. It's safe to say that there is a high degree of overlap between low-income households and households of persons born overseas (and not speaking English).

So when the ABS press release says:
"Attendance rates generally increased as equivalised gross household income increased. Persons whose weekly gross household income was in the lowest quintile reported attendance rates of 26%, whereas those with a weekly gross household income in the highest quintile reported attendance rates of 58% (Table 1)."

It is another way of saying "non-English speaking migrants don't go to sports events".

However, that isn't enough of a feel good message for the readers of the Herald Sun, so Masanauskas talks about growth rates...

As the bumper sticker says ..."Is it true, or did you read it in the Herald Sun?"

f**k me the chip on your shoulder is bigger than the Great Australian Bight.

your interpretation of course, all I know is, I see the agenda of the Herald Sun and am not stupid enough to fall for its garbage hook, line, sinker and Copy of Australian Angling times.

My question is this:

AFL is unquestionably the big dog on the block in Victoria and SA/WA/TAS, so why do the Herald Sun feel the need to ássert' themselves by putting down other codes??, they do it to NRL too, not just football, it speaks of a gross inferiority complex IMO.

[hot_dogma]

I don't have the SA data, but if you go purely on the Herald Sun article:

If you re-arrange/re-present the data on Aussie Rules it is equally accurate to say that:
-70% of Victorians were born in Australia ( but of those who watch AFL, 92% of them were born in Australia);
-20% of Victorians were born in countries where English is not spoken (but of those who watch AFL, 4% are born in a non-English speaking country),
-10% of Victorians were born overseas in an English-speaking country (but of those who watch AFL, 4% were born overseas, speaking English).

In other words, AFL is overwhelmingly a sport for Australian's (Ockers) or Brits, and that 75% of people born overseas do not attend AFL.

The fact is that attendances by people born overseas at any sport tend to be low - the official press release by the ABS for the publication that John Masanauskas has used notes that poor people don't go to sports events. It's safe to say that there is a high degree of overlap between low-income households and households of persons born overseas (and not speaking English).

So when the ABS press release says:
"Attendance rates generally increased as equivalised gross household income increased. Persons whose weekly gross household income was in the lowest quintile reported attendance rates of 26%, whereas those with a weekly gross household income in the highest quintile reported attendance rates of 58% (Table 1)."

It is another way of saying "non-English speaking migrants don't go to sports events".

However, that isn't enough of a feel good message for the readers of the Herald Sun, so Masanauskas talks about growth rates...

As the bumper sticker says ..."Is it true, or did you read it in the Herald Sun?"

f**k me the chip on your shoulder is bigger than the Great Australian Bight.

your interpretation of course, all I know is, I see the agenda of the Herald Sun and am not stupid enough to fall for its garbage hook, line, sinker and Copy of Australian Angling times.

My question is this:

AFL is unquestionably the big dog on the block in Victoria and SA/WA/TAS, so why do the Herald Sun feel the need to ássert' themselves by putting down other codes??, they do it to NRL too, not just football, it speaks of a gross inferiority complex IMO.

I agree 100% with what you're saying but it just comes across as too much.

[Adelaide_United_Red]

that's cool, sport is a passionate arena:) I'm happy as long as the facts are out there, folks can make their own minds up when they've got the facts, past that, I'm only supposed to be here for the stadium porn!;)

[yob]

why do the Herald Sun feel the need to ássert' themselves by putting down other codes??

They print what people like to read. That's why they're the largest circulating paper in Australia. End of the world in 3.. 2...

[Adelaide_United_Red]

why do the Herald Sun feel the need to ássert' themselves by putting down other codes??

They print what people like to read. That's why they're the largest circulating paper in Australia. End of the world in 3.. 2...

you are right, newspapers are like any other business, they attempt to give their customer what they want(except Apple who attempt to figure out what their customer will want once you show them how cool/useful it is) Tabloids the world over mix giving their readers what they want with attempting to influence public opinion. The Adelaide Advertiser in my lifetime as a football fan has gone from OMG sokkah riotzz!! at every opportunity to realising that after the groundswell of support for the reds in this city/state in the 2008 ACL campaign that they can sell many more papers by not pitting sokkah against football with needless attacks. the Daily Terror-graph in Sydney is currently fueling the fires of the "football wars" in Western Sydney, not only because it has a direct interest in bigging up Rugby League, but I'm sure its because the editor thinks its what his readers want to hear about...that the hated infidels from south of the Murray are being put down by the might of the NRL...hence Roy Masters regularly banging on about AFL - a code he knows SFA about. The Hun in Melbourne of course takes the opposing view that the great unwashed in Western Sydnery will "spread their legs"for the great game of AFL once they are exposed to it, because this is the mindset of a great many of its readers. Long past are the days when readers were expected to digest the information impartially and make up their own minds..did that ever happen..how many scores of years ago?
I guess our biggest selling papers are not a very flattering reflection of society as it stands eh? I do believe though that as the population changes(as it has already begun to do) these attacks against other codes of football will gradually die down with the rise of the multi-code fan and the multi-code journo. I mean who would have thought 15 years ago that football would have moved on from the SocAus days into the FFA and have put the Socceroos into 2 World Cups in a row let alone the VFL-> AFL and having 18 teams across the whole country (sry Tassie) including 2 in both Sydney and SE QLD, times are changing and the people are having to change with them. Interesting times to be a sports fan, will make a great book one day, perhaps a sequel to the great Football Ltd? Perhaps: The Football Wars.

[yob]

I guess our biggest selling papers are not a very flattering reflection of society as it stands eh?

They're a strong reflection of community standards. Whether they flatter you is a value judgment.