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Simmo79 wrote:IIRC, in the UK, administration = automatic relegation
9 point penalty in the premier league, 10 in the lower leagues.

so fairly likely automatic relegation.

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If administration occurs after a certain point of the season in England, the points deduction carries over to the next year. Stops clubs attempting to take the piss like Leeds and Boston a few years back.

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Re the American sports experience mentioned above.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/687 ... ba-lockout

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damn good article (I've got Blink at home and should read his others too). I think the notion that the owners love basketball as much as the players and fans is true enough to motivate the owners to get to the netogtiating table. But the real reason why the next NBA season will be lost is that they simply don't have time. They didn't start on resolving the impasse until after the 10-11 season had finished and the off-season is about 3 months long. The NFL's off-season is 7 months long, they had far fewer issues to sort through and they still burnt through almost all the time available to them.

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The startling thing is how much public money and favour is behind these sports leagues. We often think of America as the bastion of free market sporting leagues, with the exception of the NFL, but it is far from the case. Rumours abound about NBA stars playing in leagues of Europe and Asia.

I don't think the NBA will cut teams but they might need to look at more financial assistance.

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this sunday on SBS:
Football provokes passion around the world, but in Argentina those passions have been twisted into a deadly criminal movement that’s led to 14 deaths in the past 18 months.

At the heart of the problem are the mafia-style gangs that seemingly control the football clubs. They take a cut of ticket sales and transfer fees, and demand protection money, assisted by high level political and police corruption.

Argentinians have watched in disbelief as televised games have turned into massive fights, with little done to stop the violence.

On Sunday, Nick Lazaredes meets some of those risking their own safety to speak out against the so-called barras bravas, but is anyone really listening?
http://www.sbs.com.au/dateline/story/ab ... /Foul-Play

And I would add that the clubs that are controlled by the hooligans got that way because they are member-owned footy clubs. There's a lesson there for the sentimental: mining magnates and shady Russian oligarchs FTW.

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IanRitchie wrote:
Simmo79 wrote:IIRC, in the UK, administration = automatic relegation
9 point penalty in the premier league, 10 in the lower leagues.

so fairly likely automatic relegation.

appropriate bump:

Rangers have just been deducted 10 points for going into Administration.

How did this happen? Let the hilarious robotic voices tell their story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8x_59Ej ... r_embedded

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"But we are the people"

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The only thing that vid gets wrong is that the current owner didn't spend his own money to clear Rangers' debt. He didn't actually have any money of his own. What he did was get an agreement with a London company to advance him 25m quid against which he promised to give them the revenue for the next 4 years worth of season tickets.

He's also flogged off Rangers catering and merchandise rights so the club has f**k all income coming its way the next few years. Even if they get a settlement with the tax authorities that avoids liquidation and if they're still in the SPL next season, they're likely to field a really uncompetitive team next season and will flirt with relegation at any rate.

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That's a huge call!

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is this as good a place as anywhere to mention the otago rugby union is gawwwwn?

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what's happened?

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they've rather drastically run out of money and will probably be liquidated friday.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/prov ... iquidation

bugger.

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Rangers Deathwatch Update
Salient points:
- On the weekend Rangers lost 2-1 at home to Hearts. This marks the first time since 1892 that they have had 3 consecutive home losses without one of the losses being to Celtic. Impressive.

- The administrators are desperate to slash 1m pounds per month from the club’s budget (details in the Telegraph article below). They’re currently negotiating pay cuts, pay deferrals or contract termination with all senior squad players. At least 5 have already walked, which accounts for their sudden form slump. As many as 11 more might be let go.

- The tax evasion problem that has them being prosecuted by Her Maj’s Revenue & Customs is also probably a breach of the SPL and SFA’s player registration rules. This could lead to two equally painful consequences:
o Being stripped of all silverware they won since 2001 or even 1998; and
o Being deducted all the points they’ve earnt so far this season, making relegation difficult to fight.

- The tax case itself is weeks away from being resolved but if they lose they will almost certainly go into liquidation.

- In a piece of epic trolling, a Celtic fan has convinced Rangers’ erstwhile owner to sell him the club for 10m fictional pounds. Enjoy:
http://www.celticunderground.net/index. ... &Itemid=83
A draft letter containing details of one such offshore agreement and the performance-related payments which would be made into an Employee Benefit Trust appeared in a Sunday newspaper 10 days ago and former Rangers director Hugh Adam confirmed last weekend that he knew of their existence during his time on the board.

The use of the EBTs under former owner Sir David Murray has led to a claim from Her Majesty’s Revenue & Customs for unpaid tax and, if Rangers are found to be guilty of tax evasion (a top tier tribunal is due to announce its verdict in the next few weeks), the club could be landed with a bill ranging from £49 million to £75 million.

However, if it transpires that Rangers have failed to supply those contract details “in full” to the governing body then they could face having the championships they won during the period the EBTs were used struck from the record.

It had been widely believed that this period began in 2001 and ended in 2010 but the SPL examination will go back to the elite division’s formation in July 1998.

Rangers appointed Dick Advoccat as manager that summer and, over the next three years, the Dutchman plunged the club into debt, bringing players of the calibre of Andrei Kanchelskis, Arthur Numan, Giovanni van Bronckhorst, Tore Andre Flo, Gabriel Amato, Michael Ball, Fernando Ricksen and Bert Konterman to Ibrox.

“The SPL Board has instructed an investigation into the alleged non-disclosure to the SPL of payments made by or on behalf of Rangers FC to players since July 1, 1998,” said a statement.

“SPL rules F1, G1.1 and G1.5 give the SPL Board wide powers of investigation into potential breaches of the SPL rules.

“SPL rules D9.3 and D1.13 impose a prohibition on players receiving payments for playing football or participating in an activity connected with football except where such payments are made in accordance with a form of contract approved by the SPL and require that all such contracts are submitted to the SPL within 14 days of being entered into.”

Asked whether the club could be stripped of the six titles it won during this period if the SPL discovers that they hadn’t provided all of the relevant details in connection with payments to their players, chief executive Neil Doncaster said that was a situation he was “monitoring very closely”. He added: “I am not sure that speculation of that type is helpful to anyone.”

The Scottish Football Association had declared last week that it would conduct its own probe into the allegations made by Adam.

Rangers were minutes away from being penalised by the SPL yesterday, administrators Duff and Phelps agreeing to pay Dunfermline part of the £84,000 owed to them for tickets for last month’s match at East End Park just before the meeting which would have decided on the appropriate punishment for welshing on that debt. The remainder of the money must be paid by April 13.

“We learned, just prior to the meeting starting, that the administrators had agreed with Dunfermline payment for the outstanding money so our action, relating to Rangers, went away,” said Doncaster.

Doncaster also claimed yesterday that the extension of the SPL’s TV deal with Sky and ESPN was not dependent on being able to deliver four Old Firm games per season.

Should Rangers lose the tax case and emerge from liquidation as a newco, there is no guarantee that they will be allowed to retain their membership of the SPL and some rivals believe that they should be forced to begin life in the Third Division.

All 12 clubs were represented at yesterday’s board meeting at Hampden and Dunfermline chairman John Yorkston said afterwards: “As we speak today, if they come out of administration I personally feel it’s a clean-slate job.

“If it’s liquidation, it’s a completely different kettle of fish. Liquidation is a completely different situation and they may well have to go down to the Third Division. We would have to look at it and see what all the facts are.”

Doncaster, though, believes that the extended contract with their broadcast partners (which is due to last until 2017) will not be affected if Rangers are not in the top flight.

“The current contract, which comes to an end this season, says Rangers and Celtic must play each other four times a season,” he said. “That’s in line with most of our large contracts – our title sponsors are the same. That’s no different from any other league with its biggest clubs.

“What will be in the next contract from the summer to be seen. You do a deal originally in a short-form agreement and then the long-form agreement follows that later on.

“That’s in process at the moment. What will happen in the future? I never predict anything in football.”
Old Firm ‘title decider’ given green light
The third Old Firm encounter of the season, scheduled for Ibrox on March 25, will go ahead even if results between now and then conspire to allow Celtic to secure the championship at the home of their greatest rivals.

Ever since Rangers clinched the title at Parkhead in 1999 in a foul-tempered affair which saw referee Hugh Dallas suffer a head wound due to a coin thrown by a Celtic supporter and several home fans invade the field of play, the SPL has taken pains to avoid championship deciders between the clubs.

Neil Doncaster, the SPL’s chief executive, stressed that there are no plans to rearrange the date of what is bound to be a highly-charged meeting.

“I’ve not spoken to the police about this,” he said. “The game is in the fixture card and has been in there for quite a while. It’s a game scheduled for TV so I’m not anticipating any change to that fixture.”

Meanwhile, the question of redundancies, of how many people must lose their jobs and how many can be saved by voluntary wage cuts, dragged on until Tuesday.

Duff and Phelps had set Monday as a deadline following more than a week of talks aimed at achieving monthly savings of £1 million but talks broke up early on Monday night without a decision.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... ments.html

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That's some excellent trolling.

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