England's World Cup bid stadiums

gyfox · Post by **gyfox** » Mon May 18, 2009 9:53 pm

The stadiums for England's bid have been narrowed down to 15 cities.

"The hopeful cities comprise Hull, Leeds, Liverpool, Manchester, Newcastle, Sheffield and Sunderland in the north, Birmingham, Derby, Leicester and Nottingham in the Midlands, and Bristol, London, Milton Keynes and Portsmouth in the south."

deejaybee · Post by **deejaybee** » Mon May 18, 2009 9:57 pm

No Coventry?

gyfox · Post by **gyfox** » Mon May 18, 2009 10:01 pm

deejaybee wrote:No Coventry?

they are having some sort of bid launching today so we will see if these are confirmed as the shortlisted cities.

gyfox · Post by **gyfox** » Tue May 19, 2009 8:32 am

If England's bid is as bad as their bid website then we are in with a chance.

http://www.england2018bid.com/

dibo · Post by **dibo** » Tue May 19, 2009 11:50 am

In alphabetical order:
1. Birmingham
2. Bristol
3. Derby
4. Hull
5. Leeds
6. Leicester
7. Liverpool
8. London
9. Manchester
10. Milton Keynes
11. Newcastle
12. Nottingham
13. Portsmouth
14. Sheffield
15. Sunderland

1. Villa Park would be close to turnkey ready.
2. Neither Bristol ground is close. Need a new ground.
3. Pride Park not ready. Needs expansion and improvement.
4. KC Stadium not ready. Needs expansion and improvement.
5. Elland Road a long way from ready. Needs expansion and improvement.
6. Filbert St not ready. Needs expansion and improvement.
7. Anfield and Goodison could be brought up to standard, but at a cost. Either woud need expansion and improvement, will get at least one new ground.
8. Wembley is pretty much ready, ditto for Emirates. Surely only window dressing required.
9. City of Manchester would be close to ready, Old Trafford would need a lot of work done on the southern stand (bringing the tunnel and rooms to the centre of the stand, working on the dugout areas…) and the pitch to create the necessary buffers between field of play and fences – Sanga was down for an awfully long time after his slide and fall into boards the other night.
10. MK should be nuked, by which I mean of course that the ground needs expansion. The ground’s close to new and would be close to the right basic standards, it’s just half the size it needs to be.
11. St James’ Park might be ugly as sin but it’d be close to ready. Being ugly didn’t keep Nuremburg’s ground out.
12. Neither Nottingham ground close. Need a new ground. Plans already discussed.
13. Pompey need a new ground. Plans already discussed.
14. Either Sheffield ground would require major improvements, even if capacity is close to the mark.
15. Stadium of Light is probably in there with Villa Park, Ashburton Grove, CoM and St James’ Park as being grounds close to turnkey ready.

So on the grounds front they've got work to do as well to get up and rolling. Their economy generally might be weaker than ours, but their football economy is light years ahead.

Many of the new grounds are no closer to being built than Stadium WA is - they're kinda ideas that are thought about but not really 'in the works' as such.

In the cases of Bristol, Nottingham, MK and Portsmouth they're long term plans that might be acted on more quickly should the need arise (like a World Cup comes to town). I've not even heard of expansion plans for Derby, Leeds, Leicester or Sheffield, but they're the sort of things you do if you're hosting the big one.

None of Bristol, Nottingham, MK, Derby, Leeds or Leicester particularly need a 40k stadium either, while we're yabbering on about it...

Simmo79 · Post by **Simmo79** » Tue May 19, 2009 11:59 am

Filbert St is long gone -> Walkers Stadium

dibo · Post by **dibo** » Tue May 19, 2009 12:05 pm

Simmo79 wrote:Filbert St is long gone -> Walkers Stadium

right you are. had an image of the crisps bag in my head, but not the name. another argument against naming rights deals i suppose.

kilonewton · Post by **kilonewton** » Tue May 19, 2009 2:25 pm

Question I have is what is the difference between UEFA elite stadium ratings and World Cup compliance? Apart from the 30k v 40k capacity.

The thing is with the England bid, is that most of these improvements are being planned with or without the World Cup. The dependencies are mainly on what level of the pyramid the clubs are at.
eg. Milton Keynes won't be installing the seats on the already constructed 2nd tier until they fill the place regularly in the Championship; Leeds won't be doing much until they get out of League 1; either Sheffield club, Hull, consolidation in the Premiership etc etc

Egan · Post by **Egan** » Tue May 19, 2009 2:28 pm

Indonesia's economy has been revised upwards in the last few days from a growth of 3.1% this year to 3.9% next year and presidential candidates are aiming for 11% growth in 2011.

They had their 15 stadiums organised months ago. Not saying they are going to win the World Cup. But in terms of World Cup nations that have not gone into recession and have the capacity to spend money...

Indonesia is doing pretty well.

redback_original · Post by **redback_original** » Tue May 19, 2009 5:25 pm

Egan wrote:Indonesia's economy has been revised upwards in the last few days from a growth of 3.1% this year to 3.9% next year and presidential candidates are aiming for 11% growth in 2011.

They had their 15 stadiums organised months ago. Not saying they are going to win the World Cup. But in terms of World Cup nations that have not gone into recession and have the capacity to spend money...

Indonesia is doing pretty well.

Are they basing this on Keynesian theories?

Egan · Post by **Egan** » Tue May 19, 2009 5:45 pm

RI economy may expand 3.9 percent this year: Citi
Aditya Suharmoko , The Jakarta Post , Jakarta | Mon, 05/18/2009 6:32 PM | Business

Indonesia's economy may expand as high as 3.9 percent due to a more domestic-oriented economy, which is the key to Indonesia's resilience amid the global economic downturn, Citi said Monday.

"We revise up our real GDP growth forecast for 2009 to 3.9 percent, from 3.5 percent. Although the first quarter headline figure was not that different to our forecast, we think our earlier growth forecast trajectory, particularly on consumption, may have been too pessimistic," Citi chief economist Johanna Chua said in a statement.

She added that the 4.6 percent forecast for full-year growth of 2010 would be maintained. Indonesia's economy grew by 4.4 percent in the first quarter this year, beating consensus forecast of 4.3 percent.

"We think a key source of Indonesia's growth outperformance was the surprisingly buoyant private consumption, which grew 5.8 percent year-on-year. We think the impact of the cumulative 225 basis points rate cuts, sharp disinflation and election-related spending has helped cushion private consumption, even though we are seeing no real signs of fiscal accommodation," said Chua.

She also said Bank Indonesia would likely continue to cut rates by 25 basis points in the next two meetings to 6.75 percent, as inflation to decelerate to 5 percent by June.

Citi, the leading global financial services company, has approximately 200 million customer accounts and does business in more than 140 countries through its two operating units, Citicorp and Citi Holdings.

bazza · Post by **bazza** » Tue May 19, 2009 6:03 pm

dibo wrote: 8. Wembley is pretty much ready, ditto for Emirates. Surely only window dressing required.

Would any other stadiums in London be considered?

Tottenham are looking at a new ground and maybe West Ham.
Stamford bridge would be the only other one near the right size.
Also ther could be the Olympic stadium if they don't tear it all down

Egan · Post by **Egan** » Tue May 19, 2009 6:04 pm

They were talking about Twickenham

Surprised Southampton is not on the list.

beastjim · Post by **beastjim** » Tue May 19, 2009 7:06 pm

dibo wrote: 7. Anfield and Goodison could be brought up to standard, but at a cost. Either woud need expansion and improvement, will get at least one new ground.
9. City of Manchester would be close to ready, Old Trafford would need a lot of work done on the southern stand (bringing the tunnel and rooms to the centre of the stand, working on the dugout areas…) and the pitch to create the necessary buffers between field of play and fences – Sanga was down for an awfully long time after his slide and fall into boards the other night.

From my examining of Google Earth, Maps and Streetview, you really wouldn't bother with doing up Goodison or Anfield. Follow through with Liverpool's planned stadium on Stanley Park and get both teams to play there To Be Honest. That said I doubt they would want to share home grounds, but you could make one side/end Blue and the other end & side Red. If Milan can share, Liverpool can as well.

As for Old Trafford, you seem a bit harsh on the place. Hosted the UEFA Champions League final in only 03 and reported to be a 5 star UEFA stadium. Sure the South Stand might be old but the rest of the place is great and you would imagine the South Stand is in the plans to be done sometime sooner rather then later. Would easily be in the plans for the World Cup, and possibly the opening match?

jacobhalls · Post by **jacobhalls** » Tue May 19, 2009 7:42 pm

Old Trafford would need a lot of work done on the southern stand (bringing the tunnel and rooms to the centre of the stand, working on the dugout areas…)

Are you kidding? The South Stand is ok for now & would be ok for the WC. As beastjim said, hosted UEFA CL Final just 6 years ago. OT is a 5 star stadium and anyway, there are rumours plans are being made for the South Stand to be upgraded to accommodate 19-20000 more fans.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... mbley.html