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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:19 pm 
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As for the ARC - third rate rubbish that only the fanatics could care about - this just shows the idiocy of the rugby union administrators in emptying and wasting their "treasure chest" - nearly as bad as their ill-judged, hopelessly expensive and failed experiment of trying to poach quality rugby league players to try and damage the good rugby code, but did the reverse. Anything but investing in juniors at grass roots level.


Some people won't stop love watching a sport, just because some people have a childish grudge against it.

Or have a well meaning grudge against it, I like the sport as a sport for the action and thrills it gives me. The politics, the history while important, does not impact on when I am there on game day and enjoying the entertainment on offer.

Even if respectfully other people find it boring. I personally enjoyed the ARC, but the reality was not many people found it attractive. For me personally, I am glad it is going ahead.

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Actually the ARC was some of the most attractive rugby I've seen in years. Way more open and flowing than normal rugger and RL.

It's just a badly set-up and run competition. Shame (for them) but not for competing codes who must be pissing themselves ROFLing.

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Actually the ARC was some of the most attractive rugby I've seen in years. Way more open and flowing than normal rugger and RL.


Interesting you say that, because it was. But I think personally Force games are even more open flowing then that. With the way John Mitchell plays his Rugby.

Will be interesting how big crowds will be when the Force connection continues in the ARC next year.

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Remind me to laugh at you in person for saying that.

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... It's just a badly set-up and run competition. Shame (for them) but not for competing codes who must be pissing themselves ROFLing.

And yet more evidence -

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ ... 09,00.html

Soaring costs leave Melbourne Rebels vulnerable
Dave Donaghy (HUN)
November 24, 2007

VICTORIAN Rugby Union officials have hosed down fears the Melbourne Rebels could be dumped from a revamped Australian Rugby Championship next year. Despite an historic grand final berth, where they lost to a powerful Central Coast side after starting the season as rank outsiders, the Rebels are in danger of being cut adrift with the ARU desperate to curb soaring costs associated with the fledgling competition.

The Melbourne franchise was the most expensive to run of all eight teams in the ARC. A report on the first-year of the competition, part of an overall reassessment of the ARU, initiated by new chief executive John O'Neill, will be tabled at the next ARU board meeting early next month. VRU officials are sweating on the findings.

The ARC, found to bridge the gap between club and Super rugby, cost $9 million to operate in its inaugural year with a loss of $5 million. VRU chairman Gary Gray said if Melbourne was to go, with the future of the remaining seven franchises seemingly secure, it would be an enormous step backwards. "No doubt costs are a concern, like any new business, and there will definitely be changes to the way the competition is conducted," Gray said. "It needs to be refined, both at the Victorian end, and the national end. Everybody has learnt a lot. But it can be managed. We can't afford to waste the incredible investment the ARU and we have made to start professional rugby in Victoria."

Melbourne's ballooning costs came from uprooting playing and coaching staff from interstate. The Rebels already have plans in place to reduce costs, including: keeping players interstate until the second half of the week; (brilliant - not even base the players in Melbourne - that'll sure help to lift its present non-existent profile in this city) passing the six-figure salary of coach Bill Millard on to the ARU; negotiating better accommodation and transport deals for players from interstate; shifting from Olympic Park to a smaller and cheaper venue; travelling on the day of games.

"All of our discussions with the ARU are about planning for next year, not about not planning for next year," Gray said. Statistics released this week showed Melbourne provided the most exposure for its sponsors than any other ARC team. :lol: - if that's so, then given that most people in Melbourne don't even know they exist, the others must be really bad!

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passing the six-figure salary of coach Bill Millard on to the ARU

Wow - over 100 grand to coach a team for 7 games in a second division competition. And it isn't even a high-profile person.
doesn't sound like smart business sense


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passing the six-figure salary of coach Bill Millard on to the ARU

Wow - over 100 grand to coach a team for 7 games in a second division competition. And it isn't even a high-profile person.
doesn't sound like smart business sense


Fair crack, they had a look at this forum and were convinced that the crowd predictions weren't people taking the piss.


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A WITNESS has come forward to reveal that more than four Western Force Super 14 players, some of them dressed only in underpants, terrorised scores of quokkas for more than an hour after a heavy drinking session at a Rottnest Island bar on Friday night.

Sydney resident Dan Andrews, who was visiting the island off Perth last weekend, said the quokkas were traumatised and he feared at least one may have been seriously hurt with injuries to its back. Rottnest Island rangers have been looking for evidence of mistreatment of the native marsupials to charge the players with the maximum fine of $10,000. So far, they have found no evidence. Western Australia police media said inquiries into the matter were continuing.

Andrews has described a scene of mayhem about 10pm last Friday night to the rangers. He has tried to give the same information to the Western Force, but officials have told him they will not reconvene a disciplinary committee unless more information is forthcoming from the ranger.

Andrews said there were disturbing incidents, including one Western Force Super 14 player enacting a series of outstretched, diving tries holding a milk crate, with the touchdown gleefully noted whenever the player caught a hapless quokka in the crate.

"Sometimes the quokka's tail wasn't captured within the milk crate, and then when the player was sick of that he started hurling the milk crate," Andrews said. "It was horrible to see them pick on little animals. Some of them were just babies and they only weigh three to five kilograms."
He said another player picked up a quokka by the tail, rotating it several times above his head and then releasing it, hammer-throw style across the grass. :evil:

The Force said on Monday an internal inquiry had found there had been no mistreatment, although four players had admitted to picking up and putting down the quokkas. Andrews said he and some Irish tourists, who also witnessed the scene, had begged the players to stop the harassment and had repeatedly told them it was illegal to touch the quokkas. The players also helped themselves to the tourists' beer and a bicycle without permission.

"We told them to stop handling the quokkas. We told them how it was an offence under state law but they ignored us," he said. "At one point, we were pleading with them that the quokkas were revered almost like a state animal, certainly a Perth icon, and as a team from Perth, they should respect that. They didn't listen and it just got to the point that we went inside so as not to give them an audience, and we just hoped that they stopped."

The animal cruelty allegation is the latest in a series of off-field incidents involving Western Force players, including allegations that two players assaulted a former Force employee in a Sydney bar earlier this year. The assault allegation followed separate confirmation by the club of a report that it paid $16,000 to a South African man to enable star player Matt Henjak to play Super 14 matches in South Africa.

The Herald last Saturday revealed the Force had made payments to the man and his legal firm. The Rugby Union Players Association chief executive Tony Dempsey was also paid for acting in communications with the man's lawyers. A civil claim and assault charges from an alleged 2004 nightclub incident were later dropped against Henjak.

The ARU has given the Force until the middle of next month to show where the payment was disclosed in its audit of accounts - part of part of the conditions imposed on the club following an earlier Herald investigation which showed previous secret payments of $300,000 to lure players to the club, for which the Force were fined $150,000. The ARU has foreshadowed more fines if it is not satisfied with the audit.



This is a farken outrage! Is there no end to the anti-social behaviour of the Western Farce. Now it’s animal cruelty. Last week it was bribery. Before that salary cap rorting and numerous accounts of assaulting members of the public. Why don’t they recruit Michael Vick? He’d fit right in!

And y’know, there’s something about the WA ‘culture’ (for wont of a better word) that accepts this cowboy behaviour. It runs a lot deeper than the Farce and the West Coke Eagles because sport culture is just a more obvious outward manifestation of wider culture.

Crap like this is all over WA. Just look at Bryan Burke. We’ve all heard the rumours of widespread corruption within the mining industray. And go back further to WA Inc and Bondy’s corporate corruption. As long as the state’s in a mining boom they’ll tolerate all sorts of illegal behavour in public life. It’s just like the 80s all over again.

It just doesn’t happen over here in the civilised East Coast. We have dignity, self-respect and above all else, respect for others.

Awesome. I could write for the Daily Mail.

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This is a farken outrage! Is there no end to the anti-social behaviour of the Western Farce. Now it’s animal cruelty. Last week it was bribery.

It just doesn’t happen over here in the civilised East Coast.



I take your point at the low amount of outrage and media attention generated by such a stupid and callous act and I thought you were serious untill I read your last sentance .

I recall something about rape allegations coming from the east coast !

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Simmo, or could it be that WA Sports media scrutinise their clubs so much and others do as well, including the Sydney media with the Force. That it happens at other clubs, but people just don't report it?

Eg Hawthorn Football Club, St Kilda, Brisbane Broncos, North Queensland Cowboys have had incidents etc etc.

Also the Force are preparing to take legal action against that herald article.

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Maybe its Force's way of getting free publicity after all the gurning WCE got with the Cousins affair.

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Well, the moral high ground that Force supporters have put their club on, is well and truly gone. Force officials recognised that this incident has damaged the club. After one incident Channel 7 kicked in the boot and asked whether the Force has a culture problem :lol:

But seriously they picked the worst animal, the worst location to go on a drunken binge that played a few games with a very depressing animal that are in plague proportions over in Rottnest.

They should have gone to Meekatharra and started maiming kangaroos...and nobody would have cared.

But Perth people have this very sad love affair with quokkas...they didn't even die :shock:

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Saw a Force jersey at Botany today

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Wow - over 100 grand to coach a team for 7 games in a second division competition. And it isn't even a high-profile person.
doesn't sound like smart business sense

Does it matter how big his profile is? He did manage to coach the most unlikely of outsiders to the Final in their inaugural season. Results talk. Some might argue it was money well spent.

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