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 Post subject: War of the Rugby Codes
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 7:57 pm 
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Ever since 1895, supporters of the rival rugby codes have never been able to see eye to eye. Sportingo's Donna Gee believes it's time they united in a common cause - and stopped behaving like a bunch of football hooligans.
As a lifelong rugby fan, it mystifies me why the vitriol between the game’s two codes seems to be festering as deeply as ever.

I could understand the frustration of the League brigade in the days when Union was amateur and inferior - yet the upper-class twits who ran the game in England used all their powers to keep the ‘pro’ game from blooming on a world stage.

But now that both games are fully professional and their respective stars more talented, athletic and committed than ever, I find it really sad that the two codes cannot find a common denominator which would enable ALL the world’s best players to compete against each other.

Last November, I wrote an article suggesting that League and Union officials should try to reach a compromise which would enable the top stars on the planet to pit their talents against their counterparts in the rival code. The Kangaroos of Rugby League against Union’s All Blacks in a compromise-rules series - what a mouthwatering thought! Or how about a series between the British Lions and Great Britain’s Rugby League Test team?

My ultimate dream is to see an amalgamation between the two codes - something I touched on in my November article. I hoped the idea would receive a positive reaction and indeed, it did spark what was initially a lively, intelligent debate (even if very few people gave the concept of a unified code any credence). However, that soon deteriorated into a war of words between supporters of the rival games - each seemingly as biased, bitter and bloody-minded as the next.

To date, that article has elicited nearly 300 comments - by far the biggest response to any Sportingo article on any sport. It remains the second-most read rugby article in Sportingo history - just behind the one that Rugby League aficionado James Vukmirovic wrote in response to it. And the battle of bitterness is still going on - seven months after the article was published.

The third most-read Sportingo rugby article, by Steve Bott, was published only last week. It was angled on Bradford Bulls wing Lesley Vainikolo's 'defection’ from RL to Gloucester RUFC - and the fact that League is perhaps not quite the game it used to be..

That was a licence for the League boys to lay into poor Steve with a vengeance, claiming the Tongan volcano (Vainikolo, I mean, not Bott!) was either past it or a permanent crock. ''Rugby League is 3,000 times the sport Union is,'' commented one. ''Steve, you talk out of your surname. Put the fishing rod away and open your eyes.''

I can assure the writer of that comment that Steve Bott is steeped in a Rugby League background - indeed, his brother-in-law (I won’t mention his name) played for Wigan in the 1985 Challenge Cup Final at Wembley. Steve just happens to see problems ahead for the 13-a-side code. What treachery!

On the opposite side, we had a Union aficicianado commenting: ''Mr Bott, you must learn NEVER to say anything that would appear derogatory about League. It’s a culture, a way of life, a history steeped in victimhood. Otherwise you face the wrath of the 1895 Committee.''

That final comment was an allusion to the split that created Rugby League. It all blew up over wages for working-class players in the North of England who, unlike their ‘gentlemen’ counterparts in the south, had to take time off from their jobs to play at top level. More than a century after the event, the bitterness lingers at a time we should all be pulling together for the good of the game.

Coming from South Wales, I was brought up in an area where Rugby Union is played and watched by everyone, regardless of class. Sadly, that's not the way RL folk, in particular, see English rugby. To the working classes, it's all about public schools, Twickers and hooray Henrys - a totally unrealistic image these days, but one that HQ just can't seem to throw off.

My love for Union was strengthened by my involvement as a reporter - a privilege that enabled me to get to know personally (but not too personally!) Welsh legends like Gareth Edwards, Phil Bennett, Gerald Davies and Jonathan Davies.

Having declared my preference, I can also appreciate the skills and excitement of League - and I have to admit that it was definitely the superior code until some time after Union officially became a professional game. Indeed, it is still every bit as good in its own way - and miles better in terms of continuity.

I can sympathise with the Rugby League fraternity who find the competitive scrummaging and countless lineouts in Union eminently boring. To anyone who doesn’t understand the intricacies of set-pieces, it must be like watching grass grow.

I would, however, argue that Union was, and is, just as thrilling as League in its own way…and indeed, the excitement of the Five-Nations (now Six-Nations) Championship has to be experienced to be believed.

I have attended perhaps 100 Rugby Union internationals in my life - often arriving in the host city one or two days before the game to enjoy the big-match atmosphere and build-up to the game. I cannot remember one negative experience…that is, if you discount the time I lost my ticket at the turnstiles before an Ireland v Scotland Five-Nations game at Lansdowne Road . I did manage to see the match - but that’s another story!

The main thing is that the rivalry between Rugby Union fans is one borne of respect. Supporters of rival teams will drink and celebrate together before, during and after the game - and share mutual banter in the most positive way.

I remember spending the evening in the aftermath of the very same Ireland v Scotland game in a vast Chinese restaurant in Dublin’s O’Connell Street. I was on my feet for half the evening, joining dozens of rival fans in a ridiculous sequence of mutual toasts. The fact that few were sober enough to know the difference between a foo yung and a young fool was irrelevant - we were all great guys, no matter who we supported.

The point I am making is that if rival rugby fans of one code can bond together, why can’t we ALL try to pull in the same direction - League and Union. There’s a thing called mutual respect, which I know Union fans have in abundance - and which I am sure also applies to Rugby League rivalries.

So why do we have to descend to the level of football yobs, whose chief aim in life seems to goad fans of opposition teams for all they are worth? I mean, could you imagine a Man United fan saying anything complimentary about Liverpool, or an Arsenal supporter about Spurs?

So let’s end the League/Union bitterness, guys. It’s 2007, not 1895 - and we all know rugby is a better game than football. So let’s start pulling together - for the good of the game.


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Didn't read all of that but uniting the codes would mean, to me and many of you sports fanatics, that there'll be one less sport to follow. I don't like that at all.


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As a lifelong rugby fan, it mystifies me why the vitriol between the game’s two codes seems to be festering as deeply as ever.

Probably shoudn't have written the article then I guess.


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paul wrote:
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As a lifelong rugby fan, it mystifies me why the vitriol between the game’s two codes seems to be festering as deeply as ever.

Probably shoudn't have written the article then I guess.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Lets merge AFL RU and NRL together!

What a great idea, the nrl would get massive crowds and the afl would go from strength to strength in both QLD and NSW. Perth would have its 3rd team in western force, the reds might actually win a game and tasmania... well tasmania still wouldnt have a team.

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on second thoughts, lets not!

Why do people constantly want to change things? The AFL push in the back rule, the obstruction rule in the nrl, and merging league with union?

I agree the idea of merging AFL RU and NRL is stupid, but i wrote it to make a point. Merging league and union is also stupid! Yes the sports are similiar, but they are vastly different. Same as when people get into arguements about football, its always NRL v. AFL. why cant someone like both codes?

NRL and RU are different, they are seperate contests, seperate business and have seperate supporters. and quite simple you cannot mix ARL and NRL together the same way you cant merge NRL and RU

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If the new Rugby Union laws become a hit fans and players alike,then i can not see why there shouldn't just be one game.


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Whats it all about Alfieee.

Try reading Rugby's Berlin Wall by Graham Williams,Peter Lush and David Hinchliffe.
Also the comments of certain ex-players like Dean Richards and Andrew Johns are food for thought.


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If the new Rugby Union laws become a hit fans and players alike,then i can not see why there shouldn't just be one game.



please go away.........

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Narrow minded anyone.


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sparrow minded anyone??






RL & RU are different games.......let it go

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Rugby League did come from Rugby Union and really if the new laws come in does that make Rugby Union a different game from what it was 30 years ago
Both codes seem to have there problems and i really think money will become an issue.


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Gloryboy wrote:
Rugby League did come from Rugby Union


Now that's a spurious argument. Rugby came from association football. American football came from rugby football which came from association football. Canadian football came from American football which came from rugby football which came from association football.

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and really if the new laws come in does that make Rugby Union a different game from what it was 30 years ago


And?

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Both codes seem to have there problems


Name me a sport that doesn't have problems.

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and i really think money will become an issue.


I think you should leave. Thinking things doesn't make it so.

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omfg........go away.

the clubs that made rugby league came from rugby union....they split because they wanted to pay players not play a different game..infact apart from knock-ons,they played the same game (union) for a good 10-12 years after the split before a version of league,albeit very different to what we know today started to emerge..



as for these new union rules....seems to me they are trying to make the game more open......like league?

they'll be introducing tackles and getting rid of the flankers next.. :wink:

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as for these new union rules....seems to me they are trying to make the game more open......like league?

they'll be introducing tackles and getting rid of the flankers next.. :wink:


FFS don't give me a history lesson i know all that but Union is copying off League and as Britishpud just said they are trying to make the game more open......like league?.While ex GB players Phil Clarke alongside ex Kangeroos like Tom Raudonikis and Arthur Beetson have called for the Scrum to be contested.
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Raudonikis argued competitive scrums would break the boring cycle of each team trading possession after six tackles.

If a team finding touch was rewarded with either the put in or the loose-head, it could allow continuous possession for two or more sets of tackles.

"I'd love to see scrums brought back," he said. "Scrums are embarrassing. The team with no chance of winning it doesn't even pack in. The only purpose of the scrum today is to keep the forwards out of the backs for one tackle."

Beetson: "Rugby league has taken the uncertainty out. We've got the only game in the world that doesn't have a competition for the ball.

So there you go does Union want to be like League and League like Union.
Well i think both codes are still looking for that middle ground and it's just some of the blinded fans and officials of both codes don't want any unity to happen which in this day and age is fuckin childish.

So will all you dye in the wool Mungo's stop watching the game if League turns to Union style Scrums or will the kick and clap Rah Rah's desert there game if the backs have as much input as the forwards and the game becomes more flowing and equal then ever before.


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