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so im guessing at the moment the trafic and parking and stuff is a nightmare ?

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To put it lightly.

Parking is in residents backyards and traffic...well, it isn't that bad...


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Folks, finally my fellow Cantabrians get their act together, although I don't know about the new stand being lower than the West stand, although it certainly looks like there will be more cover in the East stand.

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Jade Stadium to get revamp for rugby World Cup

4.40pm Thursday July 27, 2006

Jade Stadium is in for a four-year $60 million revamp that will increase permanent seating by 7000 to 43,000 for the 2011 Rugby World Cup.

Under plans announced today, the Christchurch sports ground's No 1, No 2 and No 3 stands will be demolished and replaced with an East Stand.

The proposed new three-level stand would be lower than the current Paul Kelly stand and have potential for 10,000sq m of commercially leased office space.

Concept drawings were shown today to a meeting of the stadium's immediate neighbours, corporate suite holders and interested parties.

Much of the $60m funding is planned to come from the private sector and stadium partners, with the rest expected to be provided from local and central government sources and charitable and sporting trusts.

Bryan Pearson, chief executive of Vbase Venue Management Group Ltd which manages the stadium, said the first stage was to "get something down on paper" to show to stadium neighbours, partners and Christchurch residents as a basis for discussion.

Concept drawings were not finalised and were "subject to ongoing modification and change".

Mr Pearson said Vbase would work closely with the Christchurch City Council's Hagley-Ferrymead Community Board and the Charleston Neighbourhood Association.

"The catalyst for the redevelopment of the east side of Jade Stadium is the Rugby World Cup 2011," he said.

"The old stands are at the end of their life and need replacement, so it's a good opportunity for us to address this and for us all to benefit from the economic impact and international profile of the third largest sports tournament in the world."

The redevelopment would also support the city's role in the 2015 Cricket World Cup.

Christchurch Mayor Garry Moore said the new East Stand concept stacked up well and there was a "compelling case" for the project to get community approval.

Mr Moore said just a year after the new stand was built there would be a "payback to the city" of at least the $60 million estimated redevelopment cost from the spending by thousands of international rugby fans expected for the cup.

"That's based on hard data the city has received from a study of the economic impact of last year's (British Lions) test match at Jade Stadium," he said.

Research showed that 10,000 British Lions fans spent about $22m on accommodation, restaurants, taxis, supermarkets, visitor attractions and retail shopping.

"If we go ahead and build this East Stand, we could get up to 60,000 supporters visiting Christchurch and Canterbury," Mr Moore said.

"It doesn't take much to do the sums. So really it's a no-brainer. The city has to get behind it."

Mr Moore aid research commissioned by the Rugby World Cup Establishment Board estimated the total benefit to the country would be over $400 million and he wanted Christchurch to get a "decent chunk" of that.

"We don't want it to be Auckland's World Cup."

- NZPA

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The key part of the concept plan is a new East Stand, almost mirroring the Paul Kelly Stand, which was completed in 2002.
If the proposed development goes ahead, the new East Stand will have:
 Three levels, making it lower than the Paul Kelly Stand
 One level (included in the 3 levels) of hospitality seating, including more club lounges and more Lancaster Reserve type seating, which was oversubscribed when the Paul Kelly Stand seats went on sale
 Seating for 16, 672 people, two thirds of them covered
 Great views of the ground, from anywhere in the stand
 Additional car parks, under and around the stand
 An add on option of 10, 000 square metres of office space, providing it is commercially viable
 The eastern lighting towers relocated to the front of the stand roof
 A Wilsons Road frontage, taking up most of the existing Wilsons Road car parking area and bringing the front of the stand closer to the road.


What effect would there be on available seats at Jade Stadium during the construction period?
One of our major discussion points today with the existing suite holders in the No. 1-3 stands was exactly this.
The aim is to seat up to 28,000 during the construction period and we are in discussions with the New Zealand Rugby Union and Canterbury Rugby Football Union over the allocation of test matches during the interim two seasons up to 2010.
We will continue to talk to suite holders in No. 1- 3 Stands about the options available and this may include relocating to other corporate accommodation around the ground.

Why do the No 1, 2 and 3 stands need replacing?
The No. 1-3 Stands are nearly 50 years old and are at the end of their structural life. They need to be replaced very soon. The Rugby World Cup in 2011 is a catalyst for the city’s premier sporting venue to have better facilities and more seating.
Every year we wait means the construction cost goes up by $3 million.
Every year we wait, the continuing and projected high costs of maintenance simply don’t make economic sense.
It’s getting to the stage where, if we don’t replace them, we won’t be able to use them.


Why is the capacity being increased?
We plan to raise the permanent seating capacity from 36,000 to 43,000 to cater for the city’s continuing growth over the next fifty years.
Alongside this is the opportunity to host Rugby World Cup matches in 2011. If we get the unallocated semi-final, we will need to raise the capacity further on a one-off basis. We will also have the opportunity to host Cricket World Cup matches in 2015.
We will gain this additional capacity by adding temporary seating and by removing fixed seating in the Tui Stand and in front of the Hadlee Stand. This will create terraces at both ends of the ground.

What role will Jade Stadium play during the Rugby World Cup 2011?
We don’t know this yet. As a minimum, we aim to secure pool games and a quarterfinal. We are discussing match allocation with the NZRU and CRFU with the aim of seeing more than one quarterfinal and the unallocated semi-final played in Christchurch.
Our plans have been well received by the NZRU and the RWC Establishment Board. We will be seeking commitment from them regarding the allocation of matches and in particular the unallocated semi-final.


What will the benefits be to Christchurch after the Rugby World Cup?
The long-term benefit will be a new stand that will last for the next fifty years.
If we don’t replace these old stands, we won’t be able to use them. We are seizing the opportunity to replace the old stands now, when the Rugby World Cup will help pay for them. Every year there’s a test match, the economic benefit for the city is $8 to $10 million in visitor spending.


Will all the new seats be covered?
Approximately two thirds of the seats in the new stand will be covered.


How much will the new East Stand development cost and who will pay for it?
It is too early to say exactly how much the new development will cost, as the concept plan is very much a working document. Our first estimates are about $60 million, but this could change.
This is a more difficult funding proposition than the previous west, Paul Kelly Stand. With that development the embankment was being replaced with a range of seating including corporate areas and the incremental stadium cash flows from the sale of these enabled Jade Stadium to fund the majority of the development with debt.
The east side development, despite an increased capacity, is largely replacing seats with seats so our ability to take on and fund more debt is not as significant. However our early financial projections indicate Jade Stadium, with the support of the private sector and stadium partners can fund up to two thirds of the estimated $60 million investment required.
How the balance is funded is the subject of ongoing discussions with the Christchurch City Council and others. We also intend to initiate discussions with Central Government.


Why should the City contribute to another sports venue?
It’s an existing venue with a major replacement need that coincides with the opportunity to host matches in the third most watched global sports event.
The No. 1-3 Stands are nearly fifty years old and at the end of their structural life. They need to be replaced soon anyway.
The Rugby World Cup provides a timely catalyst to do this in the next four years. Economically, it stacks up as a “free kick” for Christchurch – meaning the city will recoup its investment, and more besides, within a year of the redevelopment being completed. The economic benefit an event of this size will bring to Christchurch and Canterbury is at least the $60 million we are planning to invest.
These figures are based on last year’s Lions test match supporters’ spending, when research showed, 10,000 Lions supporters spent around $22 million on accommodation, restaurants, taxis, supermarkets, visitor attractions and retail. All that money circulated through the local economy. If we build an East Stand, we are likely to have up to 60,000 supporters visiting Christchurch over a period of four weeks, which means the $60 million spending estimate is very conservative.
In addition, there are substantial benefits from the international exposure for the city as the projected cumulative international audience of all the televised matches is 3.4 billion viewers. Last year, it was calculated that the exposure from the Lions Christchurch test television coverage was worth over $500,000 in promoting the city to a much smaller international audience of 900,000.


Why are you looking at office space as part of the East Stand?
The concept plans are by no means finalised and the office space is just a suggestion at this stage. It is entirely dependant on being commercially viable and self-funding.
However the idea is to see how we can bring further life to the area and provide for the efficient use of the Stadium on a day to day basis. Care is being undertaken with regard to stadium design and transport to ensure that office activity would not be to the detriment of residences on Wilson Road.

Who will be the project’s designers?
Athfield Architects Ltd, the same firm responsible for the Paul Kelly Stand design, have drawn up the initial concept plans.
The plans are still very much a draft working document and are open for discussion.
In these early stages we have drawn on the experience of the team from the west side development (the Paul Kelly Stand).

Who will build the stadium?
This will be put out for tender in 2008.

Will “Jade Stadium” still be the name of the venue for the RWC?
No. We are required to provide a “clean” stadium without branding or existing naming rights for the Rugby World Cup and our stadium partners (sponsors, signage and suite holders) have supported this in the interests of us hosting RWC 2011.

Why don’t you put a roof over the entire stadium?

There are a number of reasons that make this totally uneconomic.

Firstly we are not able to simply build a roof over the existing stands and playing surface. The only way to achieve a fully covered stadium would be to rebuild from the ground up. The capital cost (at a minimum $500 million), along with the write off of the investment already made in enhancing the stadium, clearly makes this a totally uneconomic proposition for our city and stadium partners. In addition to this, there are also practical considerations regarding the maintenance of the playing surface with very high annual costs in turf replacement due to the lack of sunlight exposure.

Our development proposal means that Christchurch is well positioned for the opportunity presented by RWC2011 and CWC2015 while also ensuring our stadium is appropriate for the city’s needs in the years ahead.

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So replacing fixed seating for the Rugby World Cup, I would guess would get it up to

50-52,000.

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We plan to raise the permanent seating capacity from 36,000 to 43,000 to cater for the city’s continuing growth over the next fifty years.
Alongside this is the opportunity to host Rugby World Cup matches in 2011. If we get the unallocated semi-final, we will need to raise the capacity further on a one-off basis. We will also have the opportunity to host Cricket World Cup matches in 2015.
We will gain this additional capacity by adding temporary seating and by removing fixed seating in the Tui Stand and in front of the Hadlee Stand. This will create terraces at both ends of the ground.


43,000 will be a perfect capacity for Christchurch...good news about trying to get as many possible people into the ground for the Rugby World Cup.

This will also give them a Quarter Final of the Cricket World Cup? Or will Wellington get that over Christchurch, despite the additional capacity in Christchurch?

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I doubt it whether Christchurch will get a quarter final for the 2015 cricket world cup. Wellington just seems a much better venue for cricket than Jade Stadium. That said, if New Zealand gets two 1/4 finals and a semi-final then perhaps it could be considered, since the semi final will certainly be at Eden Park where they will be able to get 50,000 once the redevelopment is complete.

One thing I like about the new Jade Stadium design is that they have taken into account keeping the crowd dry. Even though the current 1, 2 and 3 stands are outdated they have great rain cover, unlike the new West stand which doesn't keep anyone dry (and it's a pity they didn't address fixing this).

In some ways I am surprised they have kept the new Tui stand (that's the old DB stand at the South end) uncovered because when it rains the rain comes to Christchurch from the South.

And I'm not sure how that new ramp for the East stand will look for people in the ground when it is completed (see artist's impression above).


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dont know what it is but to me it looks very American, any one els get the feeling that a yank has to have been on the design team for this ?

i just cant shake the feeling of it not being out of place in the US somewhere

that being said it still looks like it will be a preaty impresive venue if this is the FINAL design.

just out of interest what way does the cricket pitch run cause it looks to me like it would have a set up like TS where most of the suporters are square of the wicket

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they would have to remove the cresent shaped seats in front of the east west stands on the ground to make it resemble somthing you could play cricket on.... even then the ICC would have to make some exemptions for cricket to be played there.looking at the sketch theis stadium s pitch wouldnt be alot bigger than say Aussie Stadium..and you cant play cricket there

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I think one of the stands is going to be retractable.

I don't think they will upgrade it if it doesn't meet ICC Standards...especially if it means losing 2015 World Cup games...and the thousands of tourist dollars that will flow into Christchurch.

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That ground looks very, very, very unsuitable for cricket.

Shame for a ground that started life as just that, a cricket ground.

It'd probably be in Christchurch's best interest to go the way of Wellington and Hamilton, and just build a purpose built cricket venue. It wouldn't need to be much, just a pavillion with a giant hill. That'd give capacity for 15-20,000 odd, which is all it needs really. It's also mean they could have a large, modern, rectangular stadium, which seeing as though 99% of it's usage is for rugby, makes sense to me.


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ooking at the sketch this stadiums pitch wouldnt be alot bigger than say Aussie Stadium..and you cant play cricket there


yeh maybe i spose but what about this then, does anyone know the field dimentions of The adelaide oval and Telstra stadium? both are cricket venues (telstra may not be the perfect spectator venue for cricket but its a venue none the less) and both have almost rectangular dimentions square of the wicket, so i recon that this place would have a pitch compairable to Telstra or Adelaide even more so when retractable seats are aded to the equasion.

i still think it looks like some yank stadium but i cant think of which one
edit albakiwi's home ground, thats what it reminds me of i knew i'd seen simmilar somewhere

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The redevelopment looks like it could be a stadium in Simmo's NCAA thread.

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It's got nothing on Adelaide or Telstra.

I DESPISE Telstra for cricket, but it looks infinitely better than Jade or Eden. Or Carisbrook.


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If the cricket pitch at Jade is realigned to be parallel with the touch lines AND the new stand's distance from the centre of the pitch mirrors the Kelly Motors Stand, then it would be a great cricket venue.

As it is, the cricket pitch is parallel with the old RL touchlines from before the No 4 was demolished and the Kelly Stand built. This creates a lot of wasted space in cricket mode that could make up the outfield.

I like this redevelopment. Good for cricket and good for the ground with seats closer to the action as required - they've won me.

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