Hi Guys, I'm glad everyone else is getting something out of this thread, I was a bit worried that I'd only be doing for my own benefit
I have next to no experience of NCAA football, everything I knew about gridiron up until recently was about the NFL. All I've learnt has been through net research but it's been eye-opening and really enjoyable.
If anyone wants to help out and make it a collaborative effort the next stadium on the list (#5) is the Rose Bowl
which will cover the stadium, the Rose Bowl game and UCLA. Otherwise, I'll post it on Monday arvo.
On ticketing arrangements, when I was reading about Tennessee I noticed that the Uni has upped its season ticket prices
The athletic department also announced that single-game ticket prices for four of the Vols' seven home games (California, Florida, LSU and Alabama) will increase from $45 to $50. Tickets for Air Force, Marshall and Kentucky will increase from $38 to $40.
"We are always monitoring the national scene with regard to our ticket prices," said Hamilton. "Our prices are comparable to many of our peer institutions."
For the 2005 football season, Alabama's ticket prices ranged from $40-$50, Auburn ranged from $42-$52, LSU ranged from $36-$45, and Ole Miss ranged from $40-$42. Notre Dame's tickets were $56 a year ago, Ohio State's ticket price was $58, Oklahoma's price ranged from $52-$75 and Texas' price ranged from $56-$75.
The increases are projected to raise approximately $2.5 million, which will be used for facility improvements and to ensure UTAD can maintain financial independence from the university while continuing its tradition of giving back to the university.
compare to the NFL where average tickets for a family of four range from $40 per person (Buffalo) to $90 per person (New England)
http://www.teammarketing.com/fci.cfm?pa ... nfl_05.cfm
there is some overlap in ticketing costs but the NFL is on average significantly more expensive.
That said, I perceive the NFL and NCAA not to be competitors so much as two complimentary
organisations. With the historical exception of Green Bay, the NFL has always based itself in large cities. Like Sandy said, the NFL is a post war organisation (ie/ this was only the 40th year of the Super Bowl and when it started they weren't sure it would survive. At least that's what Grampa Simpson implied) and professional football came of age just as the TV era was kicking on. TV revenue and corporate revenue has always been a significant driving force for the league and so clubs could really only ever survive in big cities (almost always 1,000,000+) which have plenty of corporates.
College football on the other hand was already well established, but its roots were in rural areas. The Unis do attract fans from the cities but in general, it's very rare for the 117 NCAA Div I-A teams and the 32 NFL teams to share the same territory. Off the top of my head the only ones are:-
-Miami (Dolphins & Hurricanes)
-Pittsburgh (Steelers & Panthers)
-Buffalo (Bills & can't think of their name but they're not famous)
-Atlanta (Falcons & Georgia Tech Yellowjackets)
-Tampa (Buccaneers & Southern Florida Bulls [which is a Uni that has only avery young football program 1990s I think]
-the Arizona Cardinals are tenants of the Arizona State Sun Devils
-the San Francisco Bay Area has the 49ers and the Oakland Raiders + the California Golden Bears [Berkley] and Stanford Cardinal which are big time football programs in their own right.
That's not a great deal of overlap.
There are great swathes of the US that don't have millionaire cities but have a great desire to see football, that's why so many teams get crowds so much bigger than a student population or alumni could provide. In the South and Midwest college football really fills the void.
Consider Texas. It's a lot like Australia:
- 20m population
- two cities around the 4m mark (Houston and Dallas-Fort Worth)
- some smaller millionaire cities (San Antonio, El Paso, Austin)
but only 2 NFL teams. Imagine if Australia had only two football teams, one in Melbourne the other in Sydney. But Texas has UTexas
at Austin, Texas A&M
in College Station, Texas Tech
in Lubbock, University of Texas, El Paso (UTEP
in Waco, Rice
in Houston as well as Texas Christian
and Southern Methodist
, both in Dallas-Fort Worth.
That's why colleges are successful they bring the sport to cities or well-populated areas that can't support a club in financially elite competition.
And the unwritten law in the US is that Friday night is for High school games, Saturday for colleges and Sunday & Monday nights for the NFL. So there's little clash in TV scheduling as well.