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Today the Lancet (The Uk version of the New England Journal of Medicine) have come out and confirmed what I have believed for years now. Ecstasy, LSD and Cannabis are far safer than the government would have us believe. Tobacco is a far worse drug to consume.


I'd rather have to hang out with a smoker than someone who uses the other three.

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Part of me wishes I was in Sydney tomorrow night. I love watching election coverage on TV.


Normally I'm hanging out to watch the coverage but not this time around due to the underwhelming campaign etc. Might tune into the ABC Radio coverage. Tony Delroy is hosting it!

Did my civic duty about 20 minutes ago. In the end I voted Liberal in both houses on the basis of the Labor candidate's inevitable win anyway.

A big congratulations to the Australians Against Further Immigration. Once again they managed to prevent The Greens being my last preference. Good work boys. I was, though, disappointed by the lack of CEC action that means not might even prevent the AAFI from getting last place!

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Today the Lancet (The Uk version of the New England Journal of Medicine) have come out and confirmed what I have believed for years now. Ecstasy, LSD and Cannabis are far safer than the government would have us believe. Tobacco is a far worse drug to consume.


Despite you mounting a reasonably valid point, the Lancet gave up any and all credibility it might have had in contentious political debates when it published its ludicrous 100,000 Iraq war deaths study.

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What is the truth? Please elaborate?


I understand that the long-term effects of regular heavy MDMA use on the serotonin receptors in the brain are probably not good, but removing other immediate risks surely wouldn't hurt. It has not been proven, but reduced intake even in regular users in a lot of cases has shown to reduce long term risks.



That is my one and only beef with ecstasy - the long term effects of sustained use. Going by the rate people munch on the pills that is fairly often amongst a lot of young and upwardly mobile Australians.

This country is going to have a mental illness epidemic in the next 15-20 years and this wanton behaviour with substances that can cause adverse effects on the brains biochemistry will be a huge factor in that being an unfortunate reality.

So boys (and girls) get your investment dollars on pharmaceutical companies that make anti-depressants, anti-pshychotics and mood stabilisers as you'll make for want of a better word a killing.

Having said that when working I'd rather deal with a crowd off their face on rec. drugs than alcohol.

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How many hospitals could NSW build if weed was legal and taxed?



They could probably build a few however they may be psychiatric hospitals caused be the onset of psychosis from excessive legal weed use.

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Tancred wrote:
Today the Lancet (The Uk version of the New England Journal of Medicine) have come out and confirmed what I have believed for years now. Ecstasy, LSD and Cannabis are far safer than the government would have us believe. Tobacco is a far worse drug to consume.


Despite you mounting a reasonably valid point, the Lancet gave up any and all credibility it might have had in contentious political debates when it published its ludicrous 100,000 Iraq war deaths study.


To be fair on the Lancet, publishing studies about diseases, be they tobacco-caused or otherwise, is their bread-and-butter.

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Today the Lancet (The Uk version of the New England Journal of Medicine) have come out and confirmed what I have believed for years now. Ecstasy, LSD and Cannabis are far safer than the government would have us believe. Tobacco is a far worse drug to consume.


I'd rather have to hang out with a smoker than someone who uses the other three.


As a past user of all four (all of which I don't take or use anymore), I'll gladly point out to you that smoking was by far the most damaging to my life. My lungs will never be the same, and I took many attempts to rid it from my life before I was finally successful 20 months ago.

The other three were a walk in the park.

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How many hospitals could NSW build if weed was legal and taxed?



They could probably build a few however they may be psychiatric hospitals caused be the onset of psychosis from excessive legal weed use.


Why would this happen? In countries where the laws are more relaxed, less people use Cannabis?

And the people who are likly to have psychiatric usually also some and drink a lot as well. If any link is to be made, then alchol should also be considered a factor.

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Today the Lancet (The Uk version of the New England Journal of Medicine) have come out and confirmed what I have believed for years now. Ecstasy, LSD and Cannabis are far safer than the government would have us believe. Tobacco is a far worse drug to consume.


I'd rather have to hang out with a smoker than someone who uses the other three.


Are you basing this on personal experience, or an idea you have formed from the media?

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Today the Lancet (The Uk version of the New England Journal of Medicine) have come out and confirmed what I have believed for years now. Ecstasy, LSD and Cannabis are far safer than the government would have us believe. Tobacco is a far worse drug to consume.


I'd rather have to hang out with a smoker than someone who uses the other three.


Are you basing this on personal experience, or an idea you have formed from the media?


Are we blaming the media?


And i've had to put up with potheads at a football game. I'd much rather sit by a smoker any fucken day. That sh*t stinks worse that ordinary cigarette smoke and fucks up your mind much more. I wanted to knock the bastards out by half time and i went and found a different spot to watch the game not much later.

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How many hospitals could NSW build if weed was legal and taxed?



They could probably build a few however they may be psychiatric hospitals caused be the onset of psychosis from excessive legal weed use.


Why would this happen? In countries where the laws are more relaxed, less people use Cannabis?


There maybe less users but it doesn't necessarily mean they smoke less. If anything the smaller amount of users would lead to a higher concentration of sustained regular use.

It doesn't alter the argument that THC is a major inducer of psychosis and directly related mental illnesses such as schizophrenia and bi-polar disorder.

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And the people who are likly to have psychiatric usually also some and drink a lot as well. If any link is to be made, then alchol should also be considered a factor.



Alcohol is certainly a massive factor for people who self-medicate along with cannabis.


Edit: I have just realised I am slightly hypocritical even though I stand by what I say above as I have smoked sh*t a few times this year albeit under the influence of alcohol. :?

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here that lancet drug table you lot are on about..

all i'll say is some people have a addictive personality and some don't....maybe i'm one of the lucky ones then :wink:

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disco bikkies were so much cleaner back when i was a young doofa. these days kids dont know what their taking, natural grass is alot better than this hydro crap...hydro will send you sterile....and its mixing it with other stuff like speed thats whats gonna end you up in a psych ward...ive had the unfortunate opportunity of seeing an old friend end up in RPA a few times..poor bastard dosnt learn....stay natural and you will do your self a lot less damage in the long run...then again stay off it all togeather is the best advice.

err so ive been told 8)

BTW did anyone else see the Motorhead special after rockwizz on saturday night......take a look at Lemmy for exhibit A and i suppose Keif richards is exhibit B.

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