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Re: A-LEAGUE launch: "New Football"

Postby yob » Tue May 05, 2015 9:44 pm

With the 500k figure taken in a loose/had a couple sense, geographies that are candidates on that criterion alone:

Canberra-Qbn - 400k. Good on 'em, I've done my 7 years
Sunshine Coast - 300k (and surrounds)
Gong - 300k (would need a broader base)
Gold Coast - 600k
Tasmania - ~500k (can it be done though)
NQ - Townsville/Cairns (can it be done..... )

After that there's the odd region here and there that's big but not that big. Mandurah/Southern Perth, Geelong, Ballarat&Bendigo, Riverina.


Going off this uninspiring list I think the strategy is more top focused and carving slices out of the big pie, rather than grooming small regions for their own a-league teams. I'm cold on the idea of a Riverina team because of the traffic fine I got in Wagga, the pig was a total bitch.

In the case of NZ, meh, their energies should be on the NZ football championship.
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Re: A-LEAGUE launch: "New Football"

Postby dibo » Tue May 05, 2015 10:01 pm

As far as significant urban areas are concerned, we can basically round the figures to the nearest 500k...

Want 28 clubs?

8 Sydney 3,908,642
7 Melbourne 3,707,530
4 Brisbane 1,874,427
3 Perth 1,627,576
2 Adelaide 1,103,979
1 Gold Coast-Tweed Heads 533,660
1 Canberra-Queanbeyan 391,474
1 Newcastle 308,308
1 Central Coast 297,713
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Re: A-LEAGUE launch: "New Football"

Postby bazza » Wed May 06, 2015 11:50 am

dibo wrote:As far as significant urban areas are concerned, we can basically round the figures to the nearest 500k...

1 Newcastle 308,308
1 Central Coast 297,713


Hunter region can take Newcastle to over 500k
Central Coast can't make it unless they leave out a northern Sydney team and expect the coast to cover that
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Re: A-LEAGUE launch: "New Football"

Postby yob » Wed May 06, 2015 12:35 pm

dibo wrote:7 Melbourne 3,707,530

:lol:

Aussie rules is the dominant code in Melbourne, and within the last decade the AFL made a concerted push to relocate North Melbourne to the Gold Coast. That move would've left 8 teams. The idea that Melbourne's far smaller football community could sustain 7 professional teams is patently ridiculous. Not you of course dibo, as you're merely applying the 500k cocept to the real world.


The problem with large numbers of teams in an urban area is not simply that the city isn't big enough. In my lifetime Melbourne has doubled in size, and yet only has 1 less AFL team, and Melbourne still isn't big enough. It's a nonsense. The reality of having 7, 8, 9 teams is that there will always be a team that is the 7th, 8th, 9th largest! No amount of redistribution changes that.
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Re: A-LEAGUE launch: "New Football"

Postby gyfox » Wed May 06, 2015 1:51 pm

The ACT has a population measure that they call C+1 which is the population within 1 hours drive of the CBD. This figure is growing at about 1.5% pa and the 2011 projections had it passing 500k in 2013 or 2014. There are 15k registered football players there.

The NSW Gov has a region called Lower Hunter and its population in 2011 was 541,250. This region accounts for about 60% of the 48k registered players in the Football NNSW Federation.

The population of the Illawarra is 385k which I think is part of the reason it has been mentioned as part of the area served by the proposed Southern Sydney club. The population of the Southern Sydney sub region is 600k with growth through to 2031 taking it to 660k. This region alone has about 40k registered players which is about the same as Melbourne and there is another 12k in the Illawarra.

Just last week the WA released a document call Perth And Peel@3.5m which has the South Perth/Peel region having 500k population with growth through to 2050 taking it to 1.2m. The region starts at Cockburn and Armadale and covers all LGA's down to Mandurah. The Lark Hill Sports Complex is meant to service the Rockingham/Peel region and there appears to be plenty of room to develop a stadium.
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Re: A-LEAGUE launch: "New Football"

Postby yob » Wed May 06, 2015 2:56 pm

gyfox wrote:The ACT has a population measure that they call C+1 which is the population within 1 hours drive of the CBD. This figure is growing at about 1.5% pa and the 2011 projections had it passing 500k in 2013 or 2014. There are 15k registered football players there.


C+1 basically means Canberra +Queanbeyan +Murrumbateman +Goulburn +Yass

Goulburn & Yass contribute working class commuters that can't afford to live in Canberra. I worked in an office there where every single person drove in from Goulburn.

The funny thing though is Canberrans sh*t on these towns every chance they get. Except when they suddenly need them to pump the numbers. Suddenly it's CanberraQueanbeyan.

Worth noting though that the farmboys reaching out to Yass, Gunning etc tend to go Brumbies over Tahs.
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Re: A-LEAGUE launch: "New Football"

Postby yob » Wed May 06, 2015 3:02 pm

gyfox wrote:Just last week the WA released a document call Perth And Peel@3.5m which has the South Perth/Peel region having 500k population with growth through to 2050 taking it to 1.2m. The region starts at Cockburn and Armadale and covers all LGA's down to Mandurah. The Lark Hill Sports Complex is meant to service the Rockingham/Peel region and there appears to be plenty of room to develop a stadium.

All of this gives impetus for the region to have an aussie rules side... yet the Peel Thunder are the most poorly supported club of the WAFL.

Perth's struggles in maintaining a strong presence in the a-league is branding. The fundamentals are there, and more there than Adelaide.

It probably won't get to the point that the FFA loses patience starts a rival franchise ala WSW. They're just waiting for Sage to f**k off instead.
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Re: A-LEAGUE launch: "New Football"

Postby gyfox » Wed May 06, 2015 3:46 pm

But former Socceroo and Fox Sports television commentator Bosnich told SEN those statistics were misleading.
"Statistics are a bit like bikinis – they show you a lot but not everything," he said.

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Re: A-LEAGUE launch: "New Football"

Postby gyfox » Sat Jun 27, 2015 4:53 pm

Preliminary figures for Football NSW this season show just under 226k registered players up 16k on last season. Football NNSW earlier this season said registrations were heading towards 54k. The total for NSW of 280k is only 50k less than AFL for the whole of the country.
But former Socceroo and Fox Sports television commentator Bosnich told SEN those statistics were misleading.
"Statistics are a bit like bikinis – they show you a lot but not everything," he said.

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Re: A-LEAGUE launch: "New Football"

Postby dibo » Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:18 pm

Regos are up about 6% this year I think. That's not bad when you're coming off a big base.

And that is club players only, doesn't count (or double count) school, six-a-side, futsal or other forms of the game. The challenge is turning more participants into fans!
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Re: A-LEAGUE launch: "New Football"

Postby gyfox » Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:33 pm

DT article today mentioned 7% for Football NSW. Recent articles had Victoria up 10% to 62k+, ACT up 10% to 15k- and NNSW up 14% to 54k. Between those 4 Federations its 30k more registered outdoor club footballers.

As you say the challenge is turning them into fans which is a major issue raised in the Whole of Football Plan. It said about 25% of registered players identify with an A-League club while for League and AFL the figure is about 75%. Time and FTA are the solutions to increasing the figure for football I think.
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Re: A-LEAGUE launch: "New Football"

Postby yob » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:47 pm

New salary caps.

http://www.a-league.com.au/article/ffa- ... 6tb3cjgxzg

Provided you jig your list around the concessions you can now get $3 million of cattle before the 2 marquees, and both marquees can be from anywhere. Also the guest players can sign for 14 weeks which makes them a smaller burden. :lol:
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Re: A-LEAGUE launch: "New Football"

Postby gyfox » Wed Aug 12, 2015 12:18 am

Largest home crowd for a Rd32 FFA Cup game goes to Mariners at 6,111.
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Re: A-LEAGUE launch: "New Football"

Postby dibo » Wed Aug 12, 2015 1:21 am

We beat the Wanderers and lost to the Nix in the same night!
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Re: A-LEAGUE launch: "New Football"

Postby yob » Wed Aug 12, 2015 12:31 pm

Round of 32

Balmain Tigers v Melbourne victory @ Leichhardt - 4849
Edgeworth v Melb city @ Magic Park - 2430
Gungahlin v Sydney Olympic @ Gungahlin enclosed oval - 1603
Sydney United v South Hobart @ SU Sports centre - 350
Blacktown City v Metrostars @ Lily Homes Stadium - 875
Broadmeadow Magic v Heidelberg @ Magic Park - 1342
Hume City v Brisbane Strikers @ Broadmeadows Valley - 853
Palm Beach Sharks v South Melbourne @ Robina - 1638
Croydon v Lions FC @ Elite Systems Football Centre - 980
Darwin Olympic v Adelaide United @ Darwin Football Stadium - 3175
Rockdale v Perth SC @ Rockdale Ilinden - 1857
Sorrento v Sydney FC @ Perth Oval - 3485
Newcastle v Perth @ Magic Park - 2563
Central Coast v Wellington @ Central Coast Stadium - 6111
Squanderers v Brisbane @ Penrith - 6028
Oakleigh v FNQ @ Jack Edwards Reserve - 711
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