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I have a feeling that when Nth Melb does move it will be to Canberra. Just a feeling

That feeling you have sounds like a stroke. The 5 best AFL crowds in Canberra involved Sydney and the travelling support they brought. Manuka only drew 2 crowds above 12,000 that didn't involve Sydney and 10 of the 20 games played there total drew less than 11,000. They did not set the world on fire. Any AFL team that considers moving there on the basis of the available information will but their own throats.

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The best thing about an AFL game in Canberra is that it was the location where for the one and only time Hawthorn used their Harlequin guernsey.

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They certainly never got big crowds. But it seems Raiders & Brumbies crowds have also been declining.


The Raiders' crowds seem to be up a bit this year after a small increase last season

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Didn't the Raiders used to get 20,000?

The best season in terms of attendances for Canberra Raiders appears to be 1994 when they averaged 17,392

http://stats.rleague.com/rl/crowds/canberra.html

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Of course nobody gets anywhere near the AFL's average crowds


Matches at Mauka Oval over the past few years have averaged 11,252
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/crowds/vn_manuka_oval.html


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11,252 obviously didn't help the AFL's 2007 average attendance of 38,107.

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Especially since you're comparing an annual average to an all-time one.

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Alright, even though this isn't WSFC related I'm putting it here because it's AFL expansion related and some whiny people have been whinily whining about the AFL 2008 season thread being hijacked. Whiners.


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THE Queensland Government plans to spend $1.5 million building home change rooms at the Gabba for the state's second team.
The plans dashes the AFL's hopes of walking away from a contract tying it to the ground until 2015.
Sports Minister Judy Spence has acknowledged for the first time the Government would be willing to compromise on the existing contract, which states a second AFL side must be based at the Gabba until 2015.

But she said there was no way the deal would be dissolved completely.
The Government has rejected approaches from sporting-based businesses, including a sports medicine firm, to set up shop under the redeveloped Gabba because the area has been earmarked for the AFL.

But it is determined that space starts to earn income to help service the redevelopment debt.
Ms Spence was yesterday given a tour of the Gabba and shown the space set aside for the new side's home rooms and street-facing office space if required, which would be upgraded at a cost of $1.5 million.
Stadiums Queensland estimates the Gabba needs to draw a crowd of more than 12,000 to break even.
The Sports Minister said the compromise the Government would be most likely to accept from the AFL would be for the duration of the contract, which insists the second team plays 11 home games a year at the Gabba, to be extended by five years.

In exchange, the 11-game per season figure would be reduced, probably to five.
"We might push the 2015 time frame out further, but we have to make sure the Queensland taxpayers get some return for their investment," she said.
"We want to be fair to the AFL, if they are going to establish a team on the Gold Coast they will want to play some games there.
"But we have put a lot of money into the development of the Gabba to accommodate a second AFL team because that's what the AFL told us they wanted, so we are going to want some return on that investment."
Ms Spence reiterated the Government's stance it would not fund a new stadium on the Coast.

"Having just spent $160 million building Skilled Park on the Gold Coast, we don't have money set aside to build an AFL stadium."

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/ ... 42,00.html

it’s clear that the QLD Govt is not intending to build another stadium on the GC. Also, holding the AFL to it’s Gabba contract, even if ‘compromising’ in the process still means that GC17 will just be a reverse Brisbane Bears circa ‘87 –’92. Pretty risky for a start-up club. And not a very attractive relocation proposition for one of the Melbourne clubs that’s in the firing line.

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I note the Qld government has $160 billion on Skilled stadium - was there any contribution from the Titans or NRL?

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I note the Qld government has $160 billion on Skilled stadium - was there any contribution from the Titans or NRL?


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I already thought the Lions had pretty swanky rooms under the Gabba, I mean they weren't built that long ago. :?

Personally I think 5 games a year might be a bit much to tie them to the Gabba, 4 or 3 would be about the right number IMO, maybe with an all finals clause.

As for Skilled, that $160 Million actually ended up being too much, as the construction period had no rain and therefore finished early and under budget, but we got some extra things out of it though, like more corporate space fitted out and the extra 2000 odd seats with the space they just magically found.

The thing about this stadium deal is that the AFL wanted the new teams to follow a more Geelong with Kardina Park method of stadium ownership, ie the club owns the stadium. However anything that the Queensland Government puts money into they want it to be under Stadiums Queensland, so thats already a sticking point, because the Qld government just doesn't give handouts to clubs to improve their stadium. The Queensland government is being stubborn but the AFL's demands are probably way too far.


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I note the Qld government has $160 billion on Skilled stadium - was there any contribution from the Titans or NRL?


The NRL and Titans provided a rugby league team that people go and watch


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The NRL and Titans provided a rugby league team that people go and watch


In these debates what has not come up is that at present the Titans are getting similar crowds to the Brisbane Lions, despite having a smaller stadium to the Lions...

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Brisbane Lions 2007 average = 28,848. Down a bit this year, I think.

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I note the Qld government has $160 billion on Skilled stadium - was there any contribution from the Titans or NRL?


The NRL and Titans provided a rugby league team that people go and watch

Yep, I think that basic point has been missed by a few on here.


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Then wouldn't the AFL team then deserve $160bn for providing a team to watch?

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$160 billion?

and i thought the bubble dome was pricey!

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