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JF_Bay22_SCG wrote:PS:- That Caroline Wilson, what a stunner she is, hey! :wink: :twisted:
LOLOL

The only thing going for her is that she has big..............opinions! :lol:

And barracks for Richmond. Well when her dad was the Tigers president during their halcyon years of the 70's why wouldn't you. :)

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Nine eyes News
18 March 2005 Herald Sun
Damian Barrett

A SHELL-SHOCKED Channel 9 is considering joining forces with a media consortium to fight rival networks for the AFL TV rights.

As the network began an internal witchhunt to establish how Channel 10 deserted it for Channel 7, the possibility of an alliance with a major media organisation was also discussed.

Among the alliance options for Nine are News Limited, current holder of the AFL's rights, and Telstra, which for months has been speculated as a big rights player.

Nine's face of football, Eddie McGuire, has been shattered by the possibility of his network losing live football.

He was seen yesterday deep in discussion with AFL officials in their Docklands offices foyer.

McGuire, who prides himself on returning all journalists' phone calls, did not respond to calls for the second consecutive day. Telstra also refused to comment on the possibility of it entering the rights battle.

News Limited director corporate affairs Greg Baxter said the organisation had deliberately taken a broad outlook on the rights bidding.

"Our options are all open," Baxter said. "We were not at all surprised by what happened (Seven-Ten alliance) and we have been examining the possibility of participating in the next round of rights negotiations for some time."

The Seven-Ten union, announced on Wednesday, has left Nine in a weakened bargaining position with the AFL.

It knows that even if it was to succeed in retaining some of the live rights, it would likely to have been forced to pay an elevated price.

In bidding for the last football TV deal, Seven paid $20 million for first and last rights on the 2007-2011 negotiations.

The arrangement virtually allows it to determine its AFL broadcasting fate, provided it matches the AFL's financial and logistical requirements.

The first and last rights option was crucial in luring Ten to the bargaining table.

A potential complication is the possibility of the Federal Government announcing deregulation of media.

Such a change could provide avenues for the big media players to buy TV stations who had won the rights.

At last night's season launch, AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou made 10 pledges for this year.

The first was to "the absolute best" broadcast deal for fans, clubs and broadcasters.

Demetriou also vowed to fix the impasse with the MCG preliminary final situation, as well as pledging to retain a 16-club competition "forever".

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Well talk about this issue dominating news, talkback radio, pub talk etc in Melbourne. Its HUGE!

Eddie seemed angry, depressed and resigned to losing on the Footy Show - not his normal optimistic self.
Sam got p*ssed on half a bottle of the sponsors product, Jim Beam (live on TV). I s'pose he was his usual self.

As for Kerry Packer - well looks like heads will roll. Thought this was the most entertaining article to chose from -

Packer livid at setback
18 March 2005 Herald Sun
Jim Wilson

STAND by for the empire to strike back! That was the overriding feeling in football and media circles at last night's AFL season launch as everyone waited for Channel 9's counter attack after losing round one of the footy rights battle to Channels 7 and 10.

The Herald Sun was told last night the fallout to Wednesday's dramatic stock exchange announcement that Seven and Ten had formed an alliance was well advanced at Nine.

"Mr (Kerry) Packer has steam coming out of his ears and the emails and phones have been running hot," a Nine insider said.

As with when he was told Nine had got AFL but not the finals, Packer is again livid with this latest setback, especially after being told some of his executives knew Seven was talking with Ten.

It is understood close to a fortnight ago that Nine chiefs knew their arch-rival was in serious talks with Ten.

Nine was slow to react and underestimated Ten.

"No one here thought footy was going anywhere, but I can tell you now this has jolted a lot of people into action," a Nine source said.

Negotiations between Nine and Ten were going swimmingly until the nuts and bolts of who gets what was raised.

Ten was willing to bargain on the finals and share them with Nine but wanted to keep the big one, the Grand Final.

Nine flexed its muscles and said no way, fully expecting Ten to roll over.

The momentum is now with Seven and Ten while Nine must now find new friends.

Telstra and News Ltd, owner of the Herald Sun, will be courted by Nine, whose biggest problem remains Friday night football.

Could it be Nine will have to bite the bullet and give Friday night footy to pay TV in Sydney and Brisbane because of Nine's commitment in northern markets to rugby league?

The AFL would prefer Friday night footy be on free-to-air in those markets but Nine is running out of options.


It was still unclear whether the Seven/Ten deal was an exclusive agreement but Ten realises the value of being with a partner with first and last bid in rights negotiations.


The National Rugby League's asking price will be significantly weaker if Seven wins back AFL and Nine is left as basically the sole bidder in the NRL rights battle.

And while the Australian Rugby Union has banked the cash for its next round of rights, Seven's current arrangement ends this year and just who will host matches like the Bledisloe Cup next year remains up in the air, largely dependent on the outcome of the AFL rights negotiations.

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In my opinion, its barely made a ripple here, just news in sports section, but not a huge thing.

When i look at a Melbourne paper having 6-7 articles on it...they have made a bigger deal then we have presently.

As long as i see Eddie cry, I will be happy...just need to see him cry when he cant commentate anymore :D

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AFL may buy station
22 March 2005 Herald Sun
Damian Barrett

FOOTBALL'S broadcast rights fight took two shock twists yesterday, with the AFL considering owning its own TV station as well as reducing the length of the next deal.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/ ... 42,00.html

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Do it. I think it is a great idea. And the AFL culd have a subscription service of their own or they could lease their channel to Foxtel. They have the money to do it.

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in america NBC had the NFl rights for years...

then a consortium came along...

CBS - AFC games
FOX - NFC games
ESPN - Sunday night football
ABC - Monday Night Football

only NBC was left out inthe cold...

so they invented AFL - 'arena football'

i'm sure channel seven probably even considered the same thing... instead...

there's every potential that we might get friday night games live australia wide...

saturday night games live australia wide

NRL- delayed- delayed - delayed

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redback_original wrote:NRL- delayed- delayed - delayed
We aren't far off that now.

Remember, Rugby League is the sport that told TV networks to piss off for fear that coverage of games would lower crowds. As a result it is also the sport that missed out on having their games telecast on ESPN. Look at how the AFL have benefitted from thsoe two gaffes. How ironic that the NRL is now half owned by a media organisation. AND THEY STILL CAN'T GET IT RIGHT!

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Jeffles wrote:Do it. I think it is a great idea. And the AFL culd have a subscription service of their own or they could lease their channel to Foxtel. They have the money to do it.
what.....the only football on tv being on pay tv?? i dont think so (unless i misunderstood you)

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I was talking purely of Pay TV rights. I'd hate to see AFl go from FTA. I don't think it can with the Anti-Siphoning Laws.

It would be a great idea. Imagine the AFL owning the current Fox Footy Channel. They'd make a fortune.

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Well, the new rights process is now underway. In brief, it has the following stages -
1) AFL put their 'wish-list' to the ch7/10 consortium. This is basically asking for mega-bucks for the 'privelage' of them showing lots of live AFL all over the country. If the consortium accepts this, the whole process is over within 14 days, ch9 won't even get a look in, and the AFL laughs all the way to the bank.

2) In reality, the consortium will reject this opening ambit claim, thus opening up the process to allow ch9 to come up with counter proposal.

3) ch7/10 then have the last rights to match the best ch9 offer (which is the most probable outcome) to win the rights.

The following is from todays HUN back page -

Television bill tops $700m
By Damian Barrett
October 14, 2005

THE AFL is seeking more than $700 million from its next broadcast deal. The opening shot of the TV rights battle was fired on Wednesday, when the AFL formally issued Channels 7 and 10 with their contractual rights to bid first. The Seven-Ten alliance, formed in March, is expected to reject the offer, freeing Channel 9 to officially enter the rights auction.

Nine, left on the football free-to-air outer by the shift of its co-rights holder Ten, has maintained throughout the past three months it intends to retain AFL content through a partnership with Foxtel. As part of the terms forwarded to the Seven-Ten consortium on Wednesday, it is understood the AFL has requested more than $140 million a year - cash - for the next rights, which are expected to cover the 2007 to 2011 seasons. The deals now involving the News Limited-controlled broadcasters Nine, Ten and Foxtel reap about $100 million annually, of which about $20 million is contra.

Channel 10 general manager of sport David White last night confirmed first rights had been offered. "Yes, both Channels 7 and 10 have been given the first option to purchase," White said. "That's all I am prepared to say." Seven and Ten have 14 days to respond to the AFL's offer, which is largely the work of Ben Buckley, the league's general manager broadcasting, strategy and major projects, and chief executive Andrew Demetriou. The expected rejection of the first offer is considered standard in such negotiations, which are expected to be finalised by Christmas this year.

The Seven-Ten alliance wants to keep five of the AFL's weekly matches for free-to-air, leaving three for pay-TV. Seven would take Fridays and Sundays, leaving Ten with Saturdays. The Nine bid has spent considerable time working on a four games free-to-air, four games pay-TV split, but would probably revert to 5-3 if it meant getting hold of the next rights. Nine has also considered a partnership with Ashes network SBS.

Crucial to the granting of the next rights is broadcasting of matches live, or near live, into New South Wales and Queensland, particularly night games on Friday and Saturday. The Seven-Ten consortium would best appease the AFL on this front, but Nine, which has heavy NRL commitments in those states, would argue Foxtel is the best northern states AFL carrier in the crucial timeslots.

The Seven-Ten consortium also has legal rights to last bids on the AFL deal, meaning it only has to match the bid of Nine to secure the rights. "We will definitely be responding to the AFL letter which we have received, but I can not tell you what our answer will be," White said.

The AFL's TV rights battle has an intriguing legal backdrop, with Channel 7 head Kerry Stokes suing several parties, including the AFL, Seven, Nine and News Limited, as part of a $1 billion claim of collusion relating to the demise of pay-TV station C7. The Stokes case is before the courts and will have several months to run by the time the AFL determines its next broadcasters. It is understood under the existing rights agreement Nine and Ten each contribute about $23 million a year, and Foxtel about $34 million.

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hot_dogma wrote:
JF_Bay22_SCG wrote:PS:- That Caroline Wilson, what a stunner she is, hey! :wink: :twisted:
LOLOL

The only thing going for her is that she has big..............opinions! :lol:

And barracks for Richmond. Well when her dad was the Tigers president during their halcyon years of the 70's why wouldn't you. :)
My English teacher taught Caro English....freaky.

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sandyhill wrote:Well, the new rights process is now underway. In brief, it has the following stages -
1) AFL put their 'wish-list' to the ch7/10 consortium. This is basically asking for mega-bucks for the 'privelage' of them showing lots of live AFL all over the country. If the consortium accepts this, the whole process is over within 14 days, ch9 won't even get a look in, and the AFL laughs all the way to the bank.

2) In reality, the consortium will reject this opening ambit claim, thus opening up the process to allow ch9 to come up with counter proposal.

3) ch7/10 then have the last rights to match the best ch9 offer (which is the most probable outcome) to win the rights.
I would not be surprised if channel 7 accepts the AFL's offer, first round. If channel 9 don't retain the rights, they'll do a hell of a lot to make it less attractive for 7. And for me, that means a huge counter bid. Channel 7 allied with 10 to rip the guts out of a potential bidding war, and seemingly expected 9 to fall off the pace very quickly. That didn't happen. Perhaps its egos, or perhaps the AFL rights are really that important to the networks. A little bit of both I suspect. If 7 accepts the first round offer, they probably won't feel too good about what they paid, but it very well could be worse if 9 got a look in.

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stadiumking wrote:
hot_dogma wrote:
JF_Bay22_SCG wrote:PS:- That Caroline Wilson, what a stunner she is, hey! :wink: :twisted:
LOLOL

The only thing going for her is that she has big..............opinions! :lol:

And barracks for Richmond. Well when her dad was the Tigers president during their halcyon years of the 70's why wouldn't you. :)
My English teacher taught Caro English....freaky.
I was wondering how the hell to combine or re-combine the 2 disparate themes here of Caro and the TV rights. Then I check today's Age and guess what? Right on cue, the following TV rights article! Again, I've highligted some selected parts -

It's open season on AFL television rights
By Caroline Wilson
October 16, 2005

The action shifts to the boardroom as the AFL declares an opening offer of $130 million.

FOUR days ago, the AFL threw down the gauntlet to Channels Seven and Ten, the renegade free-to-air networks that took the competition by surprise back in March when they joined forces to bid for the game's broadcast rights. It has been an unnerving and difficult time since then as far as the league's relationship with Seven and Ten has been concerned.

Angry at and disdainful of Seven — its broadcast partner over four decades — for taking it to court and costing the AFL millions of dollars in legal fees, AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou and his commission seem even angrier at Channel Ten for jumping ship to bid with Seven. Still, it is Seven and Ten with whom Demetriou must deal because between them those networks have paid the AFL $10 million for the privilege of receiving the league's first financial offer and — should it come to that — outbidding the competition for the right to televise the game until 2011.

On Wednesday, the two networks were told the AFL wanted close to $130 million for the free-to-air rights. It is now receiving about $57 million from Nine and Ten, although surely that $130 million figure must relate to eight games and not the five games each home-and-away round that Seven and Ten plan to divide. Interestingly though, the league's first offer stipulated that the rights offered to Seven and Ten did not include any right to broadcast on pay television.

And the competition is not to be discounted. On paper, Channel Nine has lost money on its five-year AFL deal — Channel Ten has boasted a slightly better-than-break-even result — but the big picture shows that Australian football has been good for Nine and the network remains determined to keep Channel Seven out of the football picture. Nine is delighted with its Friday nights and the AFL likes Channel Nine. The speculation is that Nine and Foxtel have unofficially put forward an offer of $120 million a year. Foxtel is reportedly prepared to pay double the annual $30 million it signed on to at the start of 2002 for four matches each round.

But questions remain, including how Nine could program the remaining four games and whether it would on-sell one of those games to SBS or even to the ABC. There is also the issue of Friday night football in southern Queensland and regional New South Wales, the famous black hole that neither Nine nor the AFL has been able to fill and which remains the one glaring embarrassment of the last five-year deal. Having recently paid a record $40 million annually for the free-to-air components of the National Rugby League broadcast rights, surely Nine's strong relationship with the northern codes must remain a concern for the AFL. Seven and Ten appear to hold more cards in terms of regional coverage and also offer better value to football fans who favour more free-to-air games.

But, of course, the Seven Network is suing the AFL and the AFL strongly resents that. Any resurrection of media relationships between Seven and the league would surely see an out-of-court settlement or some other deal between the two parties before a rights agreement is signed. The truth is that should Seven and Ten pull this off, it will be Channel Ten that has achieved it. After all, it is Ten that has been prepared to take a massive hit in Sydney over the past four years and which will do so again next season in its preparedness to broadcast AFL prime time on Saturday nights when so few Sydneysiders want to watch it. In Brisbane, Ten has proved even more committed for slightly better but still a relatively low ratings reward. Certainly, it has been rewarded with finals — and night finals at that — but neither Channel Seven nor Channel Nine would have been prepared to commit to broadcasting AFL into Sydney the way Ten has.

Demetriou is clearly in charge of the AFL's team this time around while David White, Channel Ten's director of sport, appears to be doing the running for the Seven and Ten group. White reportedly played a major role in bringing together the News Ltd consortium the last time around, winning all five years of AFL finals for Ten. He is currently negotiating a new formula one deal for his network. Between Demetriou and White, there will be more to this deal than meets the eye.There will be deals within deals with the full picture of what fans can expect from 2007 to 2011 yet to emerge. One scenario could see a six-year agreement, not five, which would allow Seven and Ten to evenly divide the grand final over that period.

But in the end — and despite what AFL chairman Ron Evans said back in March about the AFL being prepared to sacrifice financial reward for a better coverage for the game nationally — it will be the highest bidder, and nothing else, who will win this lucrative prize. Already, the AFL's greatest fear has been abated. After angrily accusing Seven and Ten of colluding to bring down the price of the football rights, that scenario will clearly not eventuate.

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Bring back Bruce!!!

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