Oh, thiers hooligans. It would be crazy.

Millwall + nationalism= hooliganism.

We all know the story about the listed buildings preventing further expansion... well it hasn't stopped one fan dreaming:





I've taken these from a thread on the Football Ground Guide forum.

P.S. Did you miss me?

Wow!

FANTASTIC Stadium.

Oh I so hope Newcastle develop it like that...purely sensational.



We haven't had time to miss you...too many stadium photos have been submitted as of late...good to see you back though.

Speak for yourself.

Good to have you back.

I was being a tad facetious mate

Always good to have Hitler back to keep us all in line

So what Sports boycott was it this time?

Yes of course it would be completly impossible to stage the tournament in England....

The strength of this myth is simply incredible but I guess it shows the power of the media.

I will just do a Q&A based on this example of an italian serie A stadium.
www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/ ... i2&id=1599

Q: why is there a 2 meter-tall hard plexi-glass wall in front of this stand?
A: well, if it was just a fence some might climb it.
Q: Why are there two rows of barbed wire on top of this wall?
A: to stop masses of people helping eachother get over the wall.
Q: why is there on the inside of this wall a huge 10 meter fence?
A: to stop various missiles from raining down on the keeper
Q: ok is all this enough to keep the peace?
A: no
Q: what do you mean?
A: this week a match was again halted for hours?
Q: why?
A: lots of flares were thrown, pitch covered in thick smoke
Q: didnt anyone try to stop it?
A: yes
Q: so?
A: It was made difficult as the fans bombarded everyone with bottles.
Q: Was this the first time Roma fans halted a match this season?
A: no, second time in just a few months, last time they got the referee.
Q: how often does it happen in England?
A: I dont think it has happened at all in more than 15 years
Q: Really!! how many walls, fencing and barbed wire do they use then?
A: nothing
Q: what?? could a serie A match be staged in an english stadium?
A: I guess, but I wouldnt be there, as would no sane person
Q: but is this not a disaster for the image italian football?
A: no
Q: why not??
A: it isnt really reported anywhere. Its barely news in Italy.
Q: would a similar incident be news in England
A: are you kidding?
Q: no
A: Of course there would be an outrage. the whole sport would be in crisis. long investigations would reach parliament ending witn new meassures to adress match security would follow.
Q: and all reported intensely in the worldwide media.
A: indeed.
Q: ok, I see, I am starting to understand. Its an english problem
A: exactly, read the papers
Q: but do people really believe that?
A: many do, incredibly enough.
Q: but just looking at the stadiums will that not tell a different story
A: you would think so
Q: did anything else happen in Italy this week
A: yes a player gave fans the nazi-salute
Q: really, why?
A: natural as the club is known to have a large fascist following.
Q: but is it just Italy?
A: no, lots of racist abuse at black english players in spain recently.
Q: was it that bad?
A: yes, came across clearly on tv, causing outrage in England.
Q: and in spain?
A: wasnt mentioned in the papers the day after the match
Q: but later?
A: yes the english outrage from football to politicians made it an issue
Q: and lessons were learned?
A: well perhaps
Q: but has there not since been lots of obvious racism at several of Real Madrids games?
A: yes
Q: but had lessons not been learned?
A: yes, dont play the english.
Q: come on, surely this happens in England as well.
A: yes following the spain game scandal two people shouted racist abuse at a Blackburn game.
Q: what happened?
A: they were arrested, you know that, it was in the world media. it made it as far as Australia.
Q: but what about the massive openly fascist/racist following at some of europe´s most famous clubs
A: what about it
Q: well is that reported?
A: no, its not news, I give up, I thought you understood this.

mate Ive learnt to disregard images I see on TV when England go to Turkey, World Cups, Euro 1998, because apparently its just actors mimicking hooligans

England has had soccer hooligans for decades and even if it is a myth, you will not dispel the rumours...if they had no hooligans why are away and home crowds seperated?

everyone has segregation. its sad but at least England have moved beyond things like fencing, heavy policing etc.

I dont know what you remember from world cups or euro's´but you will have to go back at least 5 years for the latest incidents and even then I doubt it was worse than what happens almost weekly in many parts of europe.
I have no ambition to dispel this myth. its pretty irrelevant for England as those that know something about football know the facts and Britain certainly have no problems being awarded european finals from UEFA.

I am just amazed that the real concerns are ignored. Serie A, one of the finest leagues in the world, is falling apart mainly, in my view, because of hooliganism. yet its ignored.

Well I just remember at last years Euro's the Portugese barred entry to many english tourist who are on a hotlist.

But mate I may be dreaming, hooliganism in Britain just doesn't exist.

Yes Hooliganism exists in Italy, yes in Argentina, yes in Mexico, yes in Brazil, yes in many countries.

But when British supporters went to Turkey for a world cup qualifier no British supporters were allowed....why potential hooliganism risk.

The fact is its been prevented by FIFA and UEFA by decisions such as this.

They do not want to repeat the facicle of Belgium 1998 and previous ventures for World Cup Qualifying.

So Swede whens the British citizenship coming in the mail, Im expecting it to come any day now.

sorry Egan but this is complete rubbish.

British supporters were encouraged not to travel to Turkey by the english FA to avoid trouble after some english supporters were killed there a few years before. whats the point??
I am strongly encouraged by my foreign ministry not to travel to Iraq but that does not mean that I am a terrorist.
England should be applauded for taking these steps and Turkey should have been slammed for trying to undermine it.

Yes indeed, the portuguese stopped travellers who were on a hotlist. This hotlist is created by the english FA and police.

I am not saying there are no english hooligans, I am saying there is minimal hooliganism and the fact that you provide two examples where nothing actually happened seems to support my case. Where is this hooliganism?

Belgium (which was in 2000) is the most recent example, apparently, but again it was minimal drunken beach brawling as I vaguely remember it.

The "problem" England have is that they have astonishing numbers of travelling support which no one else could even dream of. The second problem is that too many of them have a sad tendency to binge drink, which yes, indeed, caused some brawling five years ago
The third problem is that other countries dont really bother about match safety even when they have far worse local problems. What the welsh fans were subjected to at a recent match in Italy was simply so disgusting that I am not even going to repeat it. It would certainly have made me a potential "hooligan" as no one could accept that yet it could have been avoided

No I cant get british citizenship, unfortunately I didnt win the lottery of life....
but of course in the EU I have the right to go to live and work there whenever I want

Korea Japan 2002 beefed up security especially for the english.

Mate I don't know anything, but thanks for admitting that england has minor hooliganism...because previously I was thinking it was a figure of my imagination.

Mate they have a very very tolerant immigration policy...you'll become a citizen in a flash.

The English problems in Portgual were in Albufeira, about 40kms from the Estadio Algarve and a popular holiday spot for the English. Mum's parents live about 8km north of there. It could've been just pissed tourists and not soccer hooligans. They were both in town at the same time.