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newcastle's stadium is getting (across the span of this decade) $80 million and yet people from the hunter still whinge? astounding.

sydney has 4 million people, between newcastle and wollongong there are a fair bit less than one million. if anything newcastle's getting a far better deal than they ought to for their population. while newcastle is the state's second biggest city and wollongong is third, there's a pretty huge drop-off after number 1...

win stadium is anything but a squeaky wheel given it gets a whole 6 game days a year compared to the 12 at penrith and whatnot. given its grandstand capacity as it stands kogarah is in greater need of work.

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Leigh-like article from Roy Masters in today's Herald. Fair points I guess, interesting Kogarah-related part bolded.




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Sydney's awash with stadiums, thanks to sloppy strategy

* Roy Masters
* June 9, 2008

THE Sea Eagles have received a $6 million post-budget grant from the NSW Government to upgrade Brookvale Oval, while the Dragons anticipate funding for their Kogarah base, as do Wests Tigers with Leichhardt Oval.

The Kogarah and Leichhardt renovations will complicate the irrational spread of football stadiums in the greater Sydney region. Wests Tigers have had four venues for home games this year - ANZ Stadium, Homebush Bay; Campbelltown Sports Stadium; Leichhardt; and they hosted the Dragons in the kick-off at the Sydney Football Stadium.

St George Illawarra divide games between ANZ Stadium and WIN Stadium, Wollongong, while Oki Stadium, Kogarah, is being renovated, following successive grants - $800,000 by the Carr government, $8 million by the Howard government, $7 million by the Iemma Government and the to-be-announced grant.

The NSW Government has also awarded WIN Stadium $80,000 as a consultancy fee to replace the western grandstand. A local state member, Noreen Hay, said the redevelopment would attract more games to Wollongong. From where? Kogarah, which is being renovated at taxpayers' expense? Or ANZ Stadium, which reverts to government ownership in 2031?

The NSW Government has no venue management strategy.

The AFL plans to exploit this haphazard approach by moving on Homebush, despite a $27.5 million Government commitment 18 months ago to develop a site at Blacktown for Aussie rules and cricket.

The AFL and NSW Cricket will each contribute $2.8 million to the Blacktown stadium, with the $21.9 million balance coming from the taxpayer. However, the AFL is reportedly interested in buying ANZ Stadium for $200 million. The real offer is $100 million-$140 million, but why pay this for a facility that is committed to host three Swans games until 2016, plus the possibility of two finals, if ownership eventually reverts to the State Government?

The only reason for buying the management rights for 23 years to play five games is if a second Sydney AFL team uses ANZ Stadium as its home. The AFL's interest in ANZ may be a smokescreen for an intention to enlarge the adjacent Showground. Its 12,000-seat capacity could be extended by 10,000-12,000 seats for $80 million to $90 million, meaning it could play about eight games at the Showground and the blockbusters at ANZ Stadium.

Yet this increases ANZ's usage to maybe eight AFL games, meaning buying it could only be justified if the AFL was to charge exorbitant rents to five NRL clubs which now hire it. However, the Government is funding returns by the Dragons and Wests Tigers to their suburban bases, and South Sydney is being linked to a relocation to Gosford.

The Government's laissez-faire attitude to the AFL invasion into western Sydney is not matched by the Queensland Government's resolve with the AFL over a planned team on the Gold Coast. When the Queensland Government renovated the Gabba to accommodate the Brisbane Lions, it built dressing rooms for a second AFL team, with an agreement from the AFL a second team in south-east Queensland would play there until 2016.

The AFL now wants the Queensland Government, or Gold Coast Council, to build a stadium to replace Cararra. The Government won't fund a $300 million stadium in competition with its own, while the council would need the AFL to fund half the cost. A buy-out of the Gabba agreement could be as much as $50 million, meaning the AFL faces a possible $200 million commitment on stadiums alone on the Gold Coast.

Compare this with the NSW Government, which has spent $21.9 million on a facility at Blacktown that may never host an AFL game.


http://business.smh.com.au/sydneys-awas ... -2nln.html

That means we have talk of an additional grant for Kogarah from both News and Fairfax writers. Here's hoping.

On the WIN issue. I definitely think WIN Stadium needs money spent on it, but it seems pretty clear that those grounds that have had more spent were more deserving. There's little evidence that WIN Stadium requires a capacity upgrade but anything other than a $12-20 million (speculation on cost by me) complete new grandstand adding 2,000 or so new seats on the Western side would be a missed opportunity in getting the maximum potential out of the existing WIN Stadium site.

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You have a very short memory.

WIN received an $8 million dollar upgrade in 2002.


Yes that's right... and of that, 4 mil came from WIN Corp! So the state government tipped in a pathetic 4mil to the South Coast's only major sporting stadium 6 long years ago, when we all know it desperately needs a hell of a lot more just to remain functioning!


Fancy that... WIN Corp having to pay for improvements to their own assest!

I thought it was a disgrace that Cronulla didn't have to kick in a cent to make improvements to a ground they own.


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Cheesie-the-Pirate wrote:
Leigh-like article from Roy Masters in today's Herald. Fair points I guess, interesting Kogarah-related part bolded.




Quote:
Sydney's awash with stadiums, thanks to sloppy strategy

* Roy Masters
* June 9, 2008

THE Sea Eagles have received a $6 million post-budget grant from the NSW Government to upgrade Brookvale Oval, while the Dragons anticipate funding for their Kogarah base, as do Wests Tigers with Leichhardt Oval.

The Kogarah and Leichhardt renovations will complicate the irrational spread of football stadiums in the greater Sydney region. Wests Tigers have had four venues for home games this year - ANZ Stadium, Homebush Bay; Campbelltown Sports Stadium; Leichhardt; and they hosted the Dragons in the kick-off at the Sydney Football Stadium.

St George Illawarra divide games between ANZ Stadium and WIN Stadium, Wollongong, while Oki Stadium, Kogarah, is being renovated, following successive grants - $800,000 by the Carr government, $8 million by the Howard government, $7 million by the Iemma Government and the to-be-announced grant.

The NSW Government has also awarded WIN Stadium $80,000 as a consultancy fee to replace the western grandstand. A local state member, Noreen Hay, said the redevelopment would attract more games to Wollongong. From where? Kogarah, which is being renovated at taxpayers' expense? Or ANZ Stadium, which reverts to government ownership in 2031?

The NSW Government has no venue management strategy.

The AFL plans to exploit this haphazard approach by moving on Homebush, despite a $27.5 million Government commitment 18 months ago to develop a site at Blacktown for Aussie rules and cricket.

The AFL and NSW Cricket will each contribute $2.8 million to the Blacktown stadium, with the $21.9 million balance coming from the taxpayer. However, the AFL is reportedly interested in buying ANZ Stadium for $200 million. The real offer is $100 million-$140 million, but why pay this for a facility that is committed to host three Swans games until 2016, plus the possibility of two finals, if ownership eventually reverts to the State Government?

The only reason for buying the management rights for 23 years to play five games is if a second Sydney AFL team uses ANZ Stadium as its home. The AFL's interest in ANZ may be a smokescreen for an intention to enlarge the adjacent Showground. Its 12,000-seat capacity could be extended by 10,000-12,000 seats for $80 million to $90 million, meaning it could play about eight games at the Showground and the blockbusters at ANZ Stadium.

Yet this increases ANZ's usage to maybe eight AFL games, meaning buying it could only be justified if the AFL was to charge exorbitant rents to five NRL clubs which now hire it. However, the Government is funding returns by the Dragons and Wests Tigers to their suburban bases, and South Sydney is being linked to a relocation to Gosford.

The Government's laissez-faire attitude to the AFL invasion into western Sydney is not matched by the Queensland Government's resolve with the AFL over a planned team on the Gold Coast. When the Queensland Government renovated the Gabba to accommodate the Brisbane Lions, it built dressing rooms for a second AFL team, with an agreement from the AFL a second team in south-east Queensland would play there until 2016.

The AFL now wants the Queensland Government, or Gold Coast Council, to build a stadium to replace Cararra. The Government won't fund a $300 million stadium in competition with its own, while the council would need the AFL to fund half the cost. A buy-out of the Gabba agreement could be as much as $50 million, meaning the AFL faces a possible $200 million commitment on stadiums alone on the Gold Coast.

Compare this with the NSW Government, which has spent $21.9 million on a facility at Blacktown that may never host an AFL game.


http://business.smh.com.au/sydneys-awas ... -2nln.html

That means we have talk of an additional grant for Kogarah from both News and Fairfax writers. Here's hoping.

On the WIN issue. I definitely think WIN Stadium needs money spent on it, but it seems pretty clear that those grounds that have had more spent were more deserving. There's little evidence that WIN Stadium requires a capacity upgrade but anything other than a $12-20 million (speculation on cost by me) complete new grandstand adding 2,000 or so new seats on the Western side would be a missed opportunity in getting the maximum potential out of the existing WIN Stadium site.


That'd be great.

Although if it happens then all the chips will have fallen in to place for Doust sign on for another year at ANZ under the pretext of further Jubilee works.


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Spirit of Santos wrote:
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You have a very short memory.

WIN received an $8 million dollar upgrade in 2002.


Yes that's right... and of that, 4 mil came from WIN Corp! So the state government tipped in a pathetic 4mil to the South Coast's only major sporting stadium 6 long years ago, when we all know it desperately needs a hell of a lot more just to remain functioning!


Fancy that... WIN Corp having to pay for improvements to their own assest!

I thought it was a disgrace that Cronulla didn't have to kick in a cent to make improvements to a ground they own.


Mate, it's not THEIR assest. It's owned by the state government. The place is run by the Wollongong Sportsground Trust. WIN threw money in and in return got their naming rights lease extended.

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Illawarrior wrote:
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You have a very short memory.

WIN received an $8 million dollar upgrade in 2002.


Yes that's right... and of that, 4 mil came from WIN Corp! So the state government tipped in a pathetic 4mil to the South Coast's only major sporting stadium 6 long years ago, when we all know it desperately needs a hell of a lot more just to remain functioning!


Fancy that... WIN Corp having to pay for improvements to their own assest!

I thought it was a disgrace that Cronulla didn't have to kick in a cent to make improvements to a ground they own.


Mate, it's not THEIR assest. It's owned by the state government. The place is run by the Wollongong Sportsground Trust. WIN threw money in and in return got their naming rights lease extended.


Fair enough, if that's the case then I'm mistaken.

WIN is a decent enough ground for 7 games a year. Serious funding wont come unless the A-League moves in.


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I'm always suprised at the number of people who think that naming rights sponsors own the ground that they sponsor.

I've even heard Terry Kennedy and Richard Freedman (i.e. people who should know better) make that mistake concerning WIN Stadium.

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It's really the fact that it's run by a body called WIN Corp.

If it was called WIN Trust then I would have assumed it was government owned.


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Huh? What are you talking about.

WIN Stadium is not run by WIN Corporation. WIN Stadium, along with the WIN Entertainment Centre, is run by the Wollongong Sportsground Trust.

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Okay I'll just return to my village in shame then.


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Maybe I'm just having a brain freeze but could someone care to enlighten me what is the difference between ANZ Stadium and Homebush Bay?

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Roy's just giving the location. Note that it's a comma between ANZ Stadium and Homebush Bay whereas he uses a semi colon between the various grounds.

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i'm bored...so he's my rather crude,ms painted, next upgrade of kogarah

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like i said, abit crude.... :lol: but i'm sure you get the idea...

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Huh? What are you talking about.

WIN Stadium is not run by WIN Corporation. WIN Stadium, along with the WIN Entertainment Centre, is run by the Wollongong Sportsground Trust.


There was a bloke on the western force forum who reckoned that because Emirates Airlines had just built a new stadium in London and that they sponsored the Force they should let the Force play a game there too.

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i'm bored...so he's my rather crude,ms painted, next ungrade of kogarah

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like i said, abit crude.... :lol: but i'm sure you get the idea...


I'd like to see something like that on the southern side and perhaps that kind of canopy roof could be retrofitted onto the Northern terrace.

I think that if and when something is built on the hill it will have to include additional corporate boxes.

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