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Egan wrote:Unfortunately mate, its going to happen because the Force won't survive at MES and they will not sacrifice revenue to go to Members Equity Stadium.
The development is happening, because the Force have the demand to fill 27,500-30,000. Which is why MES never sells out.
Like I said, the Force will need to have an ironclad contract to play games there before it's viable. This talk of building it in stages will be useless if they still aren't playing games there.
Seriously, what's the point of extending it's capacity to 22k if no new events are going to be staged there? So the Glory can play in front of more empty seats?
Seriously, what's the point of extending it's capacity to 22k if no new events are going to be staged there? So the Glory can play in front of more empty seats?
The Force will move to the venue if it holds 35,000 seats.
Thus they will sign the contract to play games there if they get a 35,000 seat venue.
Seriously, what's the point of extending it's capacity to 22k if no new events are going to be staged there? So the Glory can play in front of more empty seats?
The Force will move to the venue if it holds 35,000 seats.
Thus they will sign the contract to play games there if they get a 35,000 seat venue.
So going back to the article, why extend it in stages? What would end up happening is that the new seats from stage 1 will remain unfilled, the government would cop it for spending money on a white elephant and stage 2 would not progress.
Which is why this project is doomed unless the contract with the Force is there before any development commences.
your govt wont build a brand spankin new stadium for all the tea in china yet you expect them to expand the capacity of a suburban ground with little or no future..... why not buy the Waca out and then either renovate or rebuild that.. seroisly what were you guys thinking renovating a suburban ground and expecting it to be world class...... hell even national class.
your govt has a shirt load of money from all the commodities youve got in the desert out there yet they wont spend it on a facility that their own government reports say is necesary... why on earth would the spend anything on this dump.
the force needs a rectangle ground no more than the pope needs another pointy hat. all they need is a ground with world class corporate facilities and general seating around a nice green grassy area with enough space for field markings. what the grass field's shape is should be irrelevant... the old saying if you build it they will come is fairly accurate here, if youve got a good quality product people will come whether its on an oval a hexagon. look at curling its the stupidest 'sport' ever invented yet people come to watch that
Steady wrote:
the force needs a rectangle ground no more than the pope needs another pointy hat. all they need is a ground with world class corporate facilities and general seating around a nice green grassy area with enough space for field markings. what the grass field's shape is should be irrelevant... the old saying if you build it they will come is fairly accurate here, if youve got a good quality product people will come whether its on an oval a hexagon. look at curling its the stupidest 'sport' ever invented yet people come to watch that
I disagree. While corporate facilities and general amenities are important, the shape of the ground and the crowds proximity to the playing field is paramount. You simply need to look at what is happening in the US - Multi purpose grounds are being replaced by code specific grounds as the revenue they can bring in is higher. By building a Rectangular Field the WA government will be able to charge more for admission, and what's more people will be willing to pay it for the superior view and atmosphere.
Take the Broncos move from ANZ to Suncorp Stadium. ANZ had cheaper tickets, but the view was so poor that it wasn't worth purchasing them. The Broncos moved to Suncorp where prices where higher across the board yet the view, even from the cheap seats, is vastly better and the atmosphere is terrific even when the stadium is half full. As a results the crowds have grown despite the rise in ticket prices.
A rectangular field in WA will service both the Force and Glory, and if the WA Reds hope to be successful in their bid for an NRL franchise in 2011/2012 they will need a rectangular field to play out of.
but my main argument is with anyone who thinks that MES deserves a cent of govt money when the govt wont even build a world class 60K with movable bottom teir that allows for a oval/rectangle like them flashy ones in japan and other places that know they are in the current century, not 1975
this is parts of an article from page 11 of todays west.
Rugby says new stadium is vital
Mark Drummond
RugbyWA has warned the Langloulant task force that the Western Force risks losing up to a third of its membership base and more than $1 million a year in revenue unless the State Government commits to a 35,000-seat rectangular stadium.
In their pitch to the task force yesterday, RugbyWA officials also claimed there was a sound business case for the new rectangular stadium because once built, it could be operated on a self-sustainable basis with no ongoing funding required from the government.
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The Government pledged $25 million to redevelop Members Equity Stadium as part of Perth's successful Super 14 bid in 2004. However, the cost of increasing the capacity at the venue to 35,000 has now been estimates at between $100 million and $150 million.
RugbyWA chairman Geoff Stooke said yesterday that spectato dissatisfaction with Subiaco Oval was already having an impact on Western Force membership, with more than half the 4000 fans who did not renew their membership this season blaming poor visibility from seats which were more than 30m from the playing area.
Conversely, Mr Stooke said the code's research indicated that having a suitable rectangular venue could increase Western Force home crowds by up to 16,000. The Perth Super 14 team attracted average crowds of more than 28,000 at Subiaco Oval last season, despite not winning a home game.
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In its presentation to the task force, RugbyWA estimated that a 35,000-seat stadium would be used for 56 entertainment events a year other than rugby, soccer and rugby league matches.
Mr Stooke said part of the ticket price for each event held at the stadium would go into a "sinking fund" which would pay for maintenance of the venue, ensuring it was not a drain on the public purse.
Download the audio feed, some interesting information. Seems as though that 31,000 plan was accurate, which would be as I described before. Two tier stand that wraps around the north and south side, as well as some minor development on the western region.
You know that West Article where it said 'rival' codes, for the plan of the Rectangular Stadium.
Well going onto gloryboys, the person who wrote it was a member of the West Australian Football Commission.
To The West employees here - what is the policy on disclosures at The West?
How a current (as of last year at least) employee of the WAFC and son of a former WAFC commissioner can write that article without a disclosure blows my mind...
Just made me ROFL HARD
The Worst is a complete Weagles loving sh*t paper.
Steady wrote:
the force needs a rectangle ground no more than the pope needs another pointy hat. all they need is a ground with world class corporate facilities and general seating around a nice green grassy area with enough space for field markings. what the grass field's shape is should be irrelevant... the old saying if you build it they will come is fairly accurate here, if youve got a good quality product people will come whether its on an oval a hexagon. look at curling its the stupidest 'sport' ever invented yet people come to watch that
I disagree. While corporate facilities and general amenities are important, the shape of the ground and the crowds proximity to the playing field is paramount. You simply need to look at what is happening in the US - Multi purpose grounds are being replaced by code specific grounds as the revenue they can bring in is higher. By building a Rectangular Field the WA government will be able to charge more for admission, and what's more people will be willing to pay it for the superior view and atmosphere.
Take the Broncos move from ANZ to Suncorp Stadium. ANZ had cheaper tickets, but the view was so poor that it wasn't worth purchasing them. The Broncos moved to Suncorp where prices where higher across the board yet the view, even from the cheap seats, is vastly better and the atmosphere is terrific even when the stadium is half full. As a results the crowds have grown despite the rise in ticket prices.
A rectangular field in WA will service both the Force and Glory, and if the WA Reds hope to be successful in their bid for an NRL franchise in 2011/2012 they will need a rectangular field to play out of.
There is a rectangular field that's more than big enough to service the needs of the Glory and any future rugby league team. The issue is that at the moment it's not big enough for the Force, but they only play 6-7 matches a year. Is it prudent to spend a mountain of cash on extending MES to accommodate 35,000 when it's only going to be used 6-7 times a year maximum, and even then there's absolutely no guarantee that in 2 or 3 years time, the Force novelty will have worn off anyway and we're left with a bigger, more expensive white elephant?
There are much, much bigger stadium priorities in WA than a larger rectangular stadium.
the force will start throwing its weight around soon!
dont get in their way ....
the way Howard is taking a pasting at the moment i wouldnt be surprised if he starts thowing big wads of cash at ideas like that..
speaking of which morris iemma hasnt contributed his 25m to the SCG yet....hopefuly that gets announced after the election here....or there is 25mill of federal govt money freed up for you as it was given with an understanding that the state govt was going to match it..or its off the table...better fn not be though!
