2015 NSW election aftermath, what does it mean for stadiums?

[dibo]

What the NRL is aiming for is to have two 60k+ stadiums that can be bid to host State of Origin & NRL major drawing finals, thereby extracting a much lower rent than they currently get from Stadium Australia. Same for major soccer events and Bledisloe Cup.

I don't think that's right. Homebush pays its tenants, because makes its own money out of the corporate seats. The clubs that play out there do very well out of it, it's only their actual customers that complain.

The Moore Park grounds can't compete, because their corporate facilities are much more limited, so the rents are high. Add to that the facilities (at the SFS at least) being pretty elderly and it's a lose/lose to go there.

Fans want to go to the Moore Park venues, but the big events need to raise more cash so they go to Homebush.

If the Moore Park grounds were simply better grounds - able to make more money for the tenants and be comfortable for more spectators - then many more big events would be there and the clubs playing there would do better out of them as well. But the competition the capacity cap since 2000 has hamstrung the SFS in particular.

Then you'd get actual competition between venues and they'd have to do something to get tenants in. As it stands it's a flawed market, and both spectators and clubs suffer.

[gyfox]

Why would competition between stadiums continue if they were under the one management? Surely a government authority is not going to allow one of its stadiums to undercut another of its stadiums. If it allows that it is just reducing its total income for no gain.

[bazza]

Homebush to be updated to be a proper rectangular stadium and the SFS to get a facelift

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/nrl-clubs-to- ... mqq96.html

[yob]

aaaaaaaand we have our first blowout. Moore (Less) Park up to 1.2 billion.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... a29a8085b5

The cost of a new, bigger stadium in place of Allianz Stadium next to the SCG means that should the NSW government proceed, there could be little, if any, money available to refurbish ANZ Stadium.

[Boba Fett]

It's not really a blowout as there were never any proper costings done when the announcement was first made.

Better interpretation would be - the amounts in the guesses are getting bigger.

Still waiting to hear any sensible justification for increasing the capacity of Allianz.

[panfas]

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... o3vf2.html

Roosters, Waratahs and Sydney FC vow to fight new stadium after being 'cheated' by NSW government
April 12, 2016 - 1:56AM
Michael Chammas

The NSW Waratahs, Sydney Roosters and Sydney FC have vowed to fight the NSW government's stadium plans at Moore Park after claiming to have been misled in negotiations with sports minister Stuart Ayres.

The three clubs are furious with the news premier Mike Baird wants a new stadium at Moore Park to be built on the site of Allianz Stadium, which contradicts the guarantees given by sports minister Stuart Ayres in return for their support.

The three clubs, who formed an alliance on Monday in fear they would never recover from relocating games, had been told by Ayres and the SCG Trust that a new stadium would be built over Kippax Lake, allowing them to remain at Allianz Stadium until the new 55,000-seat stadium until construction was complete.

"Stuart Ayres and the Trust gave us those assurances and the quid pro quo was that we would support a new stadium," Waratahs chairman Roger Davis told Fairfax Media.

"But we've been cheated on and someone has pulled the rug out from that undertaking. It's a horrible position for us because we did believe a new stadium would be beneficial, but not at the price of our clubs. So I promise you we'll fight hard to put an end to a new stadium.

"We're fiercely opposed to the decision the premier has announced. We're talking about 80,000 fans a week turning up to support the three clubs playing and we've just been given the finger. It's pushing us into a situation now where we're having to turn against a new stadium."

Roosters chairman Nick Politis is furious with the deception and is adamant the NRL club wouldn't support the knock down and rebuild of their home ground.

"No way," Politis told Fairfax Media when asked if he would support a stadium on the existing site.

"We'd be crazy. It would put us back God knows how many years."

Sydney FC officials believe they wouldn't be able to recover if forced to relocate to ANZ Stadium or Kogarah, especially at a time when Football Federation Australia is are looking to introduce a southern Sydney team into the A-League.

The Waratahs recently signed a 16-year deal with the SCG Trust, and admit they would never have agreed to the terms had they been told they would need to relocate for a quarter of the contract duration.

"No one has ever spoken to us about a plan B. We haven't even thought about where we might go," Davis said.

"We just signed a 16-year contract, and now you're telling me for 25 per cent of that period we don't know where we're going to play. It'll cost the government a lot in compensation. But how do you compensate for the end of a club or the destruction of a club?

"We wouldn't have signed up for 16 years if we knew we would only be there for 12. We were assured by everyone that the existing stadium would continue, and we would have lived with the revamp while we were playing, but not a total pull down that casts us into the wilderness."

The three clubs issued a joint statement on Monday night.

"The damage that would be caused to the three clubs would extend well-beyond the four year construction period, as it would take many years to fully recover and would require major levels of compensation for impacted clubs," the statement said.

"It is well-known in the sports industry that maintaining crowds is a worldwide challenge which would only be exacerbated if an Allianz Stadium shut down for a period of time were to occur. Research indicates that when teams are displaced from their established home ground, the impact is negative and of a long-term nature. Some clubs never recover."

Sydney FC chairman Scott Barlow also released the following statement to Fairfax Media: "I was surprised to read the Premier's comments today as it was a very different message from the one we've been receiving from both Minister Ayres and the SCG trust for the last few months.

"I along with the Chairman of the Roosters and the Waratahs have all been assured that the governments focus was to build the new stadium on adjoining land which is a proposal all three of us were prepared to support.

"But a new stadium built on the existing site which would require us to relocate for four years would be a devastating blow to all three of our clubs."

[Boba Fett]

OK, now I've seen everything. The government's proposing to spend a huge sum of money to build a brand new stadium and the tenants are whinging. If any of these clubs had any administrative nous they'd be thinking about all sorts of solutions.

But no, much easier to whinge and whine...

[dibo]

Getting a new stadium at the cost of being homeless for four years is pretty tough!

[yob]

It's sydney fc. What don't they whinge about?

They've been banging on about not letting a Sutherland team in the a-league because it apparently gouges their fan base. If that's the case they should love playing at Shark Park then for a few years.

(crickets chirping)

[Boba Fett]

So the debacle continues...

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/alli ... y57de.html

[bazza]

Latest news it that both SFS and Olympic stadiums to be knocked down and rebuilt

Proposed capacity of new stadiums
45k
75 - 80k

http://www.afr.com/business/sport/nsw-p ... 123-gzrjlz

[Boba Fett]

I've not met one person (even massive sports fans) who thinks this is a good idea.

Latest news it that both SFS and Olympic stadiums to be knocked down and rebuilt

Proposed capacity of new stadiums
45k
75 - 80k

http://www.afr.com/business/sport/nsw-p ... 123-gzrjlz

[bazza]

I've not met one person (even massive sports fans) who thinks this is a good idea.

You don't hang around with the board of the SCG trust?

[Boba Fett]

I've not met one person (even massive sports fans) who thinks this is a good idea.

You don't hang around with the board of the SCG trust?

[bigdan]

$2billion for a knock-down and rebuild of two stadiums - a wee bit too much.

Both need reno jobs done, yes, but two new stadiums....I don't think so

Not while we have s***house education, health and public transport in this state.